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Wednesday Crucifixion of Jesus Christ ?

25 Dec

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Wednesday Crucifixion of Jesus Christ ?

 

Debate:

Neufeld Dennis / Gerhard Ebersöhn

With reference to article:

by Dennis Neufeld – STM staff writer

spiritoftruthministry@gmail.com

http://web.mac.com/spiritoftruth/STM/STM_Open_Forum/Entries/2010/6/7_Open_Forum.html#

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TPJ71U006T4PQ5SR7/p7

 

Dennis Neufeld:

For those of us that already worship God on His Sabbath (Saturday) the issue of whether Christ rose from the grave on Sabbath evening or on Sunday morning (as is commonly held) is of little consequence.  

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

The fact, Christ rose from the grave on Sabbath, is no “issue”— an ‘issue’ which you imported from nowhere, but just assumed from your own biased predisposition. You simply take for granted the Scriptures declare for unquestionable truth that Christ resurrected on Sunday, then talk as if ‘the other side’ has made it an “issue of whether Christ rose from the grave on Sabbath … or on Sunday”.

 

I shall therefore do what you have done, but with another objective, to accept for a priori Divine Truth that Christ resurrected on the Sabbath Day with deep and far reaching implications and consequences of eternal salvation, based on ALL the Scriptures— Scriptures quotable truthfully to the letter and to the spirit of Christ’s fulfilment of them. I therefore for fact may know that Jesus would, and BECAUSE HE WOULD, DID RISE from the dead, “ON THE SABBATH DAY”.

 

Not only Jesus’ sacrifice of Himself was prophesied. No, that He would conquer and rise from death and the grave has been the core and essence of ALL the Scriptures including ALL those Scriptures “God thus concerning the Seventh Day, spake” in!

That Jesus the Christ would rise from the dead “SABBATH’S-TIME” was to be expected in that “God-in-Christ” would become a Man in order to CONQUER death, in that He would “enter into his own rest” and “the Seventh Day from all his works …”, would have “… RESTED”.

 

It is a pity that those who believe the correct day of God’s Sabbath, would not believe the Living Truth of the Substance, Essence and Divine Fulfilment of it by God in Christ according to “all that the prophets wrote concerning the Christ”. What is such a sabbath day but the sabbath day of the unbelieving Jews?— an empty shell of formalism that cannot possibly be the Day of Christian worship.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The fact is that He is Risen, He is Risen indeed! 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Halve a truth also as far as the Truth of the Scriptures is concerned, is not The Truth at all, but the denial of its God-given and therefore imperative eschatological wholeness and fullness (using Lohmeyer’s words). That Christ rose from the dead is true, but not the full truth. According to the Scriptures the full truth that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, is that He rose from the dead “ON the Sabbath Day”, and “IN fullness of the Sabbath Day” in Jesus Christ’s FULFILMENT “OF THE SABBATH DAY”.

 

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Yet for most of the Christian Church the Sunday resurrection of Christ is of paramount importance. It is the basis for their worship on Sunday. Little if any thought is given to the WHY of the WHEN of their choice of day. They have even given Sunday the auspicious title of  “The Lord’s Day.”  Nowhere in Scripture is there any evidence of a change of day from the Saturday Sabbath to the Sunday “sabbath”. 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Re:For most of the Christian Church the Sunday resurrection of Christ is of paramount importance.”

Again, DN simply assumes assumption for fact – engages in another halve-truth-twisting of the Scriptures. Again DN speaks of “the Sunday resurrection of Christ” as if it is a fact, while there is no such thing anywhere in the Scriptures, or had been such thing anywhere in the Scriptures prophesied or promised or implied or alluded to, EVER, in ANY way.

 

But yes, for most of the Christian Church it seems the Resurrection of Christ is of paramount importance. But is it really? Because most of the Christian Church – is my observation – find the Crucifixion of Christ so adequate they need his Resurrection only for their paramount important Sunday worship. A proper ‘Sunday-Resurrection theology’ has never been developed simply because it requires a solid Biblical foundation, which of course totally lacks.

 

Therefore,

Re:It [a “Sunday resurrection of Christ“] is the basis for their worship on Sunday. Little if any thought is given to the WHY of the WHEN of their choice of day.”

 

Absolutely! Had those Christians given honest thought to “the WHY of the WHEN of their choice of day“, they would not have “invented”— to use Karl Barth’s choice of word to express his own doubts in this regard. They would not have “invented” “their choice of day“; and they would not have “invented” their dogmatic claim of a Sunday-resurrection for its reason.

 

But let the Sabbath-keepers stop and think about themselves! Have they “given … any thought to the WHY of the WHEN of their choice of day” the Seventh Day?! Yes, they have been heard talking about a ‘creation-motive’ for centuries, but never and nothing at all as far as the Resurrection of Christ is concerned! So how can Sabbathdayers motivated purely by the Law judge the “choice of day” of Sunday for as long as they know or understand nothing about the Sundayers’ REASON for having chosen Sunday?

 

Let everyone review his present “choice of day” and reason for, “choice of day“, until he has learned more of Christ’s Resurrection “according to the Scriptures” — that is, has learned more of Christ’s Resurrection according to prophecy, promise, typology and poetry in “ALL THAT IS WRITTEN CONCERNING THE CHRIST” in which “GOD, THUS, CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY, SPAKE” …. and make what has been newly learned, the basis for truly Christian worship as for truly Christian “choice of day“.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

So when the question of the day upon which Christ was crucified is raised, we tend to go along with the commonly held belief that Jesus was crucified on Friday and was resurrected on Sunday morning.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

That now, is a fact for you— no from the Scriptures proven fact, but a from situational reality proven fact.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

But if (and it IS a big ‘But if’) it can be proven from Scripture that Christ was crucified not on Friday but on Wednesday, and was resurrected not on Sunday morning but on Sabbath evening before sundown then what significance would this have to the majority of Christian believers? 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Here once more we encounter presupposed possibilities or impossibilities as though they are the only possibilities or impossibilities. We are forced to choose between “that Christ was crucified …”, “… not on Friday but on Wednesday” or not on Wednesday but on Friday; and “that Christ was resurrected …”, “not on Sunday morning but on Sabbath evening before sundown” or not on Sabbath evening before sundown but on Sunday morning — AS THOUGH these are the only alternatives the Scriptures offer.

 

Then it is asked, “… what significance would this have to the majority of Christian believers?” Such significance I am afraid it will be too much for Christianity to handle in a Christian manner! It would be unthinkable the significance and effect it would reach if yet ANOTHER day of Jesus’ Death and another time and in fact another day of his Resurrection too, emerged honoured with the significance of having been the REAL days of his Death and Resurrection.

 

Let me explain about the Resurrection-day first.

 

The theory as expressed by Dennis Neufeld, that Christ would have been “resurrected on Sabbath evening before sundown”, is of course, non-existent; no one believes something like it.

Besides, “resurrected on Sabbath evening before sundown” is very confusing because literally “on Sabbath evening before sundown” is completely impossible. “On Sabbath evening” will ALWAYS be AFTER “sundown”— never “before sundown”. Jesus obviously did not resurrect on what we today call Friday evening after sundown; and “on Sabbath evening” can only be on what we call Friday evening.

 

The reason? Friday and the Sixth Day are not the same days; Saturday and the Sabbath are different days; and Sunday and the First Day are two days of different parts of respectively day and night and night and day.

 

It is very helpful never to use the Roman nomenclature when speaking of Biblical days.

 

It is obvious therefore Dennis Neufeld with “on Sabbath evening” meant Saturday evening. It is just as obvious Dennis Neufeld made a mistake where he identifies “on Sabbath evening” with “before sundown”. “On Sabbath evening” is AFTER sundown; “before sundown” on the Sabbath is “Sabbath’s afternoon” — precisely the words which Matthew used THREE TIMES in Matthew 28:1 to give the day and the time of the day “when there was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord descended from heaven and rolled the stone away from the tomb”, ‘opse sabbatohn’ + ‘sabbatohn tehi epiphohskousehi’ + ‘sabbatohn eis mian-sabbatohn’ … AND CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD.

 

Now Matthew’s given time-and-day of “Sabbath’s afternoon”, is NOT what any Wednesday-crucifixion theory teaches. Yes there are several Wednesday-crucifixion theorists, and none of them believe Christ’s “mid-afternoon on the Sabbath Day” Matthew 28:1 Resurrection! They one and all hold an after-sunset and therefore on-the First Day of the week resurrection— which is untrue in each instance and in every respect.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Is there corroborating evidence both within Scripture and without to confirm this?  The validity of the 4th Commandment would be brought to bear against the counterfeit sabbath upon which most of the Church places its confidence. It would also call attention to the validity of the 7th-day Sabbath as the day upon which Christ was raised from the dead.  This would be a major victory for the growth of God’s Truth and the Sabbath within the world, which is expected before the End.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Is there corroborative evidence within and without Scripture to

confirm a Wednesday Crucifixion and a Saturday evening Resurrection?

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

 

But that the Scriptures foretold as well as recorded Jesus’ Crucifixion, Burial and Resurrection “according to the Scriptures” to have occurred over the “three days” of which the New Testament makes mention several times and in several ways, leaves NO doubt! First Corinthians 15:3-4 is conclusive. “Christ the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ROSE again”; He the SECOND day of the “three days” – “BONE-day” – “was BURIED”— “according to the ethical Law of the Jews” the PASSOVER-Scriptures John 19:40; and “Christ ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES DIED for our sins”, “on the FIRST day they always had to KILL the passover”, Luke 22:7 Mark 14:12.

 

NOW WITH THESE, “THREE DAYS” no fault can be found, which Bible-truth supplies corroborating confirmation from WITHIN Scripture— which is ENOUGH! So that the validity of the 4th Commandment thereby is EVIDENTLY brought to bear against the counterfeit sabbath upon which most of the Church places its confidence. THESE, “THREE DAYS” call attention to the validity of the 7th-day Sabbath— as Hebrews 4:8-10 indisputably attest, as the day upon which Christ was raised from the dead.  THESE, “THREE DAYS” “according to the Scriptures” Christ DIED on, was BURIED on, and RAISED from the dead on, combine into the, major victory for the growth of God’s Truth and the Sabbath within the world, which is expected before the End.

 

But Seventh-day Adventism rejects it, as everybody who may know, will have experienced. Seventh-day Adventism rejects it like everybody else, and with the same or greater vigour than the rest of Christianity.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

God established Passover for Israel as a graphic illustration of the power and might that God has over the enemies of His people, and to signify the sacrifice of the lamb as the penalty payment for release from bondage. 

This is a night of solemn observance to the Lord for bringing them out of the land of Egypt.  This is the night of the Lord, a solemn observance for all the children of Israel throughout their generations. Ex. 12:42

Chapter 12 of Exodus tells how God established the timing of the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread.  

This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Ex. 12:2.

On the 10th day of the month each household of Israel was to separate out from their flock one lamb to be used for the sacrifice. On the 14th day of the 1st month it was to be killed at twilight; where-upon the blood of this sacrifice was to be put on the two door posts and the lintel of the household in which it was to be eaten. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Just to clarify, the lamb “was to be killed at twilight” … “at twilight” … or, “in the evening” in verse 8, or, “at even” in verse 18, from ‘ereb’ -‘late’— equivalent of ‘nesheph’- ‘afternoon’ “dawn” BEFORE ‘night’ as in Psalm 119:147,148. Note that the words in 147, “of the morning” are supplied but are not printed cursive, like the word “night” in 148 is supplied and is indicated supplied having been printed cursive. “I kept vigil [until] the dawn[-ENDING-of-the-day-light], and cried : I have hoped in thy Word [all day long]; mine eyes keep vigil the [night] watches, that I might meditate in thy Word [on my bed in the dark].” Compare Job 7:3,4 where the words “of the day” are again not printed cursive but indeed are supplied – unnecessarily –, “Wearisome nights are appointed me; when I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be GONE? And so am I [all the day] full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning[-ENDING-of-the-day]. … Is there no appointed / limited time to man [and man’s sorrows] on earth? (“The night comes when no one works” or is supposed to work, John 9:4.) Are not his days also like the days of an hireling, as a servant earnestly desireth the shadow [of the declining sun] and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work?”… AT THE END OF THE DAY! In fact, it is commanded the hireling must get his pay before night! Leviticus 19:13b. See Proverbs 7:9 where ‘nesheph’ -“at twilight” is combined with “in the evening” from ‘ereb yom’, “late-day”** in the King James at the end of the woman’s day-tasks (described in the following verses) BEFORE “in the black of night” the young man and she would “take our fill of love until the [morning]”— from “or” -“light / morning light” the OPPOSITE of “twilight / at twilight”.

 

**LXX Proverbs 7:9, ‘en skotei hesperinohi’, “in the shadow of the afternoon”. If there is no sun anymore, there will be no shadow anymore.

 

So “at twilight” or “in the evening” or “at even” from ‘ereb’ means EXACTLY THE SAME as ‘nesheph’ the ordinarily ‘LATE’ part of day which is the last and ending time-period of any ‘appointed’ or ‘restricted’ time-unit be it a ’24-hour-day’ or the ’12-hour-daylight’, of the day. ‘EREB’ stands for the ENDING-DAYLIGHT-DAY— NEVER for the ‘boqer’ beginning-daylight-day-part, OR NEVER, for the evening after sundown beginning-of-night-part-of-day … NEVER!

 

‘EREB’ stands for the DAYLIGHT- ENDING-DAY-PART the exact equivalent of the Greek, “tehi epiphoskousehi”— “afternoon-after-mid-afternoon” _UNTIL_ sundown its very moment— the 3 hour-long period called “the preparation of the Jews” in John 19:42 also demarcated in between Luke 23:54 until verse 56a before 56b.

 

Let this be clear from the start, NO sacrifice EVER – according to

the Scriptures in whole – was killed between sunset and sunrise. The “evening- and morning oblations-“times, were 3 pm “mid-afternoon” = “the ninth hour” and “the third hour”. When “He gave the spirit”, and died, “it was the ninth hour”. The slaughter of “Our Passover” determined that all passover lambs before Him ought to have been “killed” the same time of day that He died. And so ought to have been killed all he-goats before Him the same time of day that “there they crucified Him”— the precise hour of the “morning oblation”, and “it was the third hour”— IN DAY_LIGHT_-TIME!

 

So we find both Great Day of Atonement and Passover’s sacrifices fulfilled on the one day of the Passover of Yahweh.

Never before sunrise, and, NEVER after sunset; but “IN BETWEEN THE PAIR OF EVENINGS” ‘behn-ha-arbayim’, Dual of ‘night’ for the first ‘evening’ of the “late afternoon” from “mid-afternoon” until sunset; and the second of the “pair of evenings”, “early darkness” or ‘dusk’ from sunset until “in the black of night”.

 

Thus, how many times I do not know, is it written, “the third _DAY_” that He would rise. He ROSE “in-the-very-being-day-light-inclining-shining” –’tehi epiphoskousehi’; IN TRUTH, “in-the-very-being-day-light-inclining-shining OF THE SABBATH DAY” –’SABBATOHN tehi epiphoskousehi’. Matthew 28:1.

 

“In-the-very-being-day-light-inclining-shining OF THE SABBATH DAY” –’SABBATOHN tehi epiphoskousehi’ = the absolute synonym for ‘opse sabbatohn’; = the absolute synonymous time-of-day of ‘sabbatohn eis mian [hehmeran] sabbatohn’ -“Sabbath Day towards the First Day of the week”.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Ex. 12:17.

We can clearly see the example of the lamb as the sacrifice for the freedom of Israel from bondage in Egypt. This example was to be carried over and completed in the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, for the freedom from the bondage of sin for the Kingdom of Heaven (Literal, then spiritual Israel).

On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord;  seven days you must eat unleavened bread.  Lev. 23: 5-6.

The Passover lamb was to be killed on the evening before (the 14th day) the day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (the 15th day), which was to last for seven days. 

(Ex. 12:15). The first day and the seventh day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread were to 

be festival Sabbaths (Ex.12:16). They were to be observed as a holy convocation, and no

work was to be done on them other than the preparation of food for the household. If a seventh-day Sabbath fell between the two festival Sabbaths it was also to be observed.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

As to the TIME, DAY, and DATE that the passover lamb was to be killed …

1) on “the 14th day” of the First Month …

2) “mid-afternoon”, “the ninth hour” of the day, i.e., ‘3 p.m.’…

3) Every household slaughtered its own lamb therefore all the lambs could be killed at the same time of the day throughout the land …

4) BEFORE “the evening” of “the day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (the 15th day)“— that is, three hours BEFORE sunset and the 15th day would begin.

 

Re: DN, >> “No work was to be done on them other than the preparation of food for the household.“<<

No ORDINARY work was to be done.

The works COMMANDED for the feast day of the first eating of unleavened bread, was mandatory,

and neglect of any of those tasks would be at the peril of one’s life.

The story of the exodus – Exodus 10 to 15 – allowed no uncertainties about the Israelites’ GREAT obligations with regard to the passover’s Bone-day.

With the view to Jesus Christ

nothing about this fifteenth day of the month and feast-“sabbath” of the passover,

was of lesser importance or significance

than the day before – “the fourteenth day of the First Month” –

when “they had to KILL the passover”;

or,

than the day after – “the sixteenth day of the First Month” –

“the day after the sabbath” of the passover

when the “First Sheaf Offering” had to be “waved before the LORD”.

 

That was why “exodus-day” the passover’s fifteenth of the month “sabbath”, was considered the passover’s “combining day” or “day-of-transfer” or “in-between-sabbath”. “No bone of it [the passover], shall be severed or broken.” Psalm 34:20; 139:15,16 Numbers 9:12 Ex 12:46 John 19:40.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”  But he answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.  Matt. 12:39-40.

Most erudite Bible scholars say that any part of three days fulfills the qualification that the ‘Temple” would be raised up in three days. (John 2:19). Yet Jesus, as we have just seen, specifically gave the exact amount of time he would be in the grave-three nights and three days. The question seems obvious; whom do you believe, the scholars or Jesus? The decision needs to be made as to whether you take Jesus at His word or use some form of obfuscation to qualify a particular position. Christ said that He would be in the heart of the earth for three nights and three days. How do you fit three nights and three days into a 48 hour period from sundown Friday to Sunday when it is still dark?

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Re: DN, >> “Most erudite Bible scholars say that any part of three days fulfills the qualification that the ‘Temple” would be raised up in three days. (John 2:19).“<<

 

That was not “Bible scholars” saying; that was Christ saying. “Destroy this temple [kill Me], and in three days I will raise it up [I will resurrect].”

 

From the day MARKED by the MOMENT of Jesus’ Death until the day MARKED by the MOMENT of his Resurrection it would count and be, “three days”— “IN THREE days”, “destroyed” AND, “raised up”!

 

1) “The very first day KILL” – Abib 14

night and day

Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 John 19:14; 13:1 1Corinthians 11:23;

 

2) “In-between-day / Bone-day” – Abib 15

night and day

“first day no leavened bread … EAT … that which remained taken forth, out … burned with fire … Succot … Etam” … “great day of sabbath” John 18:28×19:31 Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50;

 

3) “Day after sabbath” – Abib 16

night and day

“brought in … planted”; “wave First Sheaf Offering” : “On the Sabbath mid-afternoon unto / towards / before the First Day of the week.”

 

“THREE DAYS IN THE WILDERNESS”

“THREE DAYS THICK DARKNESS”

“THREE DAYS THE PLAGUE”

=

“THREE DAYS IN THE _HEART_ OF THE EARTH”, ENDED!


in the grave-three nights and three days” ended!

 

“… in the grave-three nights and three days” therefore is NOT

Jesus at His word“, because Jesus NEVER said, “he would be in

the grave“, three nights and three days.

 

There is a difference between literally “in the EARTH” and figuratively “in the HEART of the earth”— a difference as big as between LIFE and DEATH.

For Christ was ALIVE “LIKE the prophet Jonas in the HEART of the earth” was alive WHILE, He suffered dying the death of death.

 

But –

1) AFTER the first night and day He had suffered dying the death of death “on the very first day (the) leaven” of his life was to be tapped and “removed”, Jesus DIED. Abib 14.

 

2) THEN AFTER Jesus had been DEAD for three hours at least,

and the second night and day were BEGINNING

“… and because THAT DAY was great day of sabbath**,

the Jews asked Pilate that the crucified be taken away …

and after that … Joseph asked Pilate … the body …

and he took the body away and prepared it …”

“THAT DAY”, “MID-AFTERNOON the Sabbath approaching” … “LAID they Jesus”—

“in the earth”; in the “ARK / coffin / sepulchre”, “hewn in ROCK”.

“And Joseph closed the grave and went home.”

“And the [two] women went home and prepared spices.”

So, from John 19:42 Luke 23:54 “by the time of / due to the Jews’ preparations … daylight inclining mid-afternoon towards / unto / before the Sabbath being THAT DAY”, ENDING, Jesus afterwards lay BURIED, IN, his grave “in the earth”.

 

3) THEN, for “THE THIRD” night and “DAY”, Jesus would ‘rest in his grave’—

FROM that

“… the women” from after sunset “… had begun to rest the Sabbath according to the Commandment”

UNTIL …

“… WHEN SUDDENLY THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE IN THE END OF THE SABBATH MID-AFTERNOON DAYLIGHT INCLINING TOWARDS the First Day of the week.” Matthew 28:1

 

There you have “three nights and three days“,

fitted into‘, a “THREE DAYS” “-period” of,

from sundown” between the 13th and the 14th days of the First Month until sundown between the 14th and 15th days “the very first day” of passover;

and

from sundown” between the 14th and the 15th days of the First Month until sundown between the 15th and 16th days “the first day no leavened bread shall be eaten” of passover;

and

from sundown” between the 15th and the 16th days of the First Month until sundown between the 16th and 17th days “the first day ye shall count seven times seven days” of passover.

And so you get the fourth day of the passover, the third day that unleavened bread was eaten, and the second day of the count to the fiftieth day of Pentecost …

 

4) “Then when the Sabbath WAS OVER, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary AND Salome, went and bought spices and ointments …”

 

By then the resurrection was PAST — indeed already THREE HOURS EARLIER “on the Sabbath Day”, past! Therefore Mary Magdalene – knowing a guard was set at the grave – wanted to go and see if it might be possible for the three of them to get into the grave to apply the spices and ointments they had just bought, as well as the spices she and the other Mary had prepared already on the afternoon of “the Preparation that was the Day-Before-the-Sabbath”. So, after they had purchased the extra ointments and spices for Salome’s sake who was not at the Burial on the Preparation [‘Friday’], “Mary comes to the grave being early-darkness still” or “being dusk still, and SEES THE STONE cast away from the grave … then RUNS back, and comes to Simon Peter and (John) …”

 

**[“sabbath” of the passover, “THAT DAY / the selfsame / BONE-day” that BEGAN, here, Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31,38]

 

Dennis Neufeld:

………………………..

… let us now look at some passages relative to the few days before and after the crucifixion of Christ and see if the possibility of translation error exists.

 

Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.  John 20:1.

The first thing to understand about this verse is that the word ‘week’ was translated from the Greek word Sabbatons.  The Sabbatons refer specifically to the week of Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Denied!

‘Sabbatohn’ Plural Genitive of ‘sabbaton – sabbata’ is of course a Greek word.

Now the LXX Greek Old Testament uses the words ‘hepta hebdomados’ – “seven seven (days) / weeks”, and ‘eschatehs hebdomados’ – “last seven (days) / week” in Leviticus 23:15. The Greek does not use the Greek Hebraism for ‘sabbath’ or ‘sabbaths’.

 

The words in the Hebrew that “refer specifically to the week of Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost,” is the Singular, ‘shabbath’, and the Hebrew word for “seven”, ‘sheba / shivah’.

 

In combination the words ‘sheba shabbath’ mean the SINGLE and WHOLE period up to and culminating in
Pentecost “Sheva-oth”, “The Fiftieth Day”.

 

The semantics and phonetics are clear and as visible as audible to “refer specifically to the week of Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost“.

 

NO importance should be attached to the ‘sheba shabbath’ as if it were SEPARATE units of ‘weeks’ demarcated by “the day The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD”. The ‘sheba shabbath’ was one period of “seven-shabbath-FEAST”. [Just like in English a ‘two score and half’ days sabbatical will be 1×50 days long holiday.] It – including its last and fiftieth day – WITHIN passover, throughout, was only PART OF, PASSOVER.

“Seven-shabbath-FEAST” was not even a proper holy or feast

period BY ITSELF … JUST AS WE FIND PENTECOST IN THE NEW TESTAMENT is totally dependent upon the Passover of Yahweh Jesus Christ “Our Passover”, and upon his Death and Resurrection: First Sheaf of the harvest and the consequent BREAD eaten— symbolising the completion and gains of the harvest through the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

 

The translators were CORRECT interpreting the Hebraism ‘sabbatohn’ in the New Testament according to Greek IDIOM as “week / of the week” instead of according to literal Greek transcribing. The meaning , “week / the week”, is above all suspicion of “bias”. It is bias that prompts critics to give all sorts of other dogmatic meanings to the word ‘sabbatohn / sabbatou’ in the New Testament. The LXX in Leviticus 23:15 uses “seven sevens” of days; not the Hebraism, ‘sabbaton > sabbata > sabbatohn’.

 

“Our Passover” and “Goat for the LORD Azazel”

CONFESSED—

  • “Hereafter shall the Son of Man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
  • “Ye have taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain
  • “Jesus of Nazareth … Man Approved of God Among you.
  • “Being delivered by the determinate council and foreknowledge of God …
  • “God had sworn with an oath to Him …
  • “Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell …
  • “Thou hast made known to Me the ways of life.
  • “I foresaw the LORD before my face …
  • “for He is on my right hand always …
  • “that I should not be moved.
  • “Therefore also my flesh shall rest in HOPE …
  • “for Thou wilt not suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.
  • “God having loosed the pains of death …
  • “the LORD said unto my Lord, Sit Thou on my right hand.
  • “Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted …
  • “let all the House of Israel know assuredly …
  • “that God hath made that same Jesus …
  • “whom ye have crucified both Lord and Christ.”
  • “Thus giving up the ghost, Jesus cried with a loud voice, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.”
  • “THIS JESUS hath God raised up …
  • “Because it was not possible that He should be holden of death” or grave.
  • Amen

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Pentecost was calculated by counting seven   Sabbatons (Sabbaths) from the first Sabbaton (Sabbath) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread plus one day (fifty days) to get to Pentecost. John, a product of Jewish culture, knew about the Feasts and would use the word Sabbatons only in relation to the calculating the days to Pentecost. He would not have used the word to mean ‘week’, which is an entirely different word.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Reminder: DN, “…
from the first Sabbaton (Sabbath) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread plus one day (fifty days) to get to Pentecost. John, a product of Jewish culture, knew about the Feasts and would use the word Sabbatons only in relation to the calculating the days to Pentecost. He would not have used the word to mean ‘week’, which is an entirely different word.”

 

WHICH text of John is Dennis Neufeld referring to? “…Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.  John 20:1.

The first thing to understand about this verse is that the word ‘week’ was translated from the Greek word Sabbatons.  The Sabbatons refer specifically to the week of Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost.”

 

Hereby now, Dennis Neufeld has ransacked his own cause and mission. According to these quoted statements of his, Neufeld in so many words says that Jesus rose from his grave, “the first Sabbaton (Sabbath) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread” … which was Abib 15 the day immediately after Abib 14 the day that He died! … simply through negligence and comfortable assuming instead of researching and testing and re-testing. I feel sorry for him but at the same time happy for him; it’s the way we all learn— ‘by trial and error’. Now is Neufeld’s opportunity to learn. So let us rather thank and praise God for our mistakes. Ephesians 5:20. “All things work together for good to them that love God.” Romans 8:28. “Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.” Ephesians 5:21.

 

Pentecost was not “calculated” by counting seven “Sabbatons (Sabbaths)”— as we have seen when we before dealt on the ACTUAL Greek and Hebrew terms in Leviticus 23:15 our ‘source-text’. Pentecost was every year “proclaimed” and “counted”, that is, ‘calculated’— for which reason it could not have depended on the weekly Sabbath that was not yearly “proclaimed” but had forever been established. Pentecost was every year determined by Jews having counted ONE period that consisted of “seven sevens of days and one” irrespective of ‘the week’ that ends on the Seventh Day-of-the-week-Sabbath.

 

We may also mention that the word “Sabbatons (Sabbaths)”— Plural, not at all exists in the entire Hebrew Scriptures. The Singular ‘shabbath’ is used for Singular AND Plural. It is a Hebrew IDIOM, that’s why and that’s how! It is a peculiarity of that language, such as any language may have, for example Greek, that borrowed the word “sabbaton” Singular / “sabbata” Plural from the Hebrew and used either terms for either the Singular or

the Plural meanings. Language is a living organism; not calculus.

 

It is therefore simply WRONG to aver that John “would use the word Sabbatons only in relation to the calculating [of] the days to Pentecost“. John used the Greek word ‘sabbatohn’ to mean the English-become-universal “week”, which is an entirely different word than the Hebrew word ‘specifically‘ used “in relation to the calculating [of] the days to Pentecost” in Leviticus 23:15. (As was shown above.)

 

To be exact, John did NOT use the Greek word ‘sabbatohn’ to mean the English-become-universal “week” or weekly Sabbath, per se! Because he used the word ‘sabbatohn’ IN A PHRASE, that ‘specifically’ semantically and etymologically AS A PHRASE became ‘designed’, to mean the English-become-universal PHRASE, such as “First Day of the week”; in other words, to mean the NAME of a “… Day-of-the-week”, viz, in this instance in John 20:1, “the First Day of the week”.

 

The ‘Day’-halve of the Biblical ‘First Day’ overlaps 12 hours with the ‘Roman, Sunday’s’ ‘Day’ or middle-halve; so that the Roman Sunday’s night-halve, falls divided 50/50 on both ends of its daylight ‘Day’. [Quite a mess!]

 

The point is, the Greek words in any instance of use such as in John 20:1, COMBINED and as a UNITARY PHRASE, will always function like a NAME of a ‘Day-of-the-week’. That is the ‘specific’ and exclusive use, function and meaning such phrases in the New Testament AND OUTSIDE the New Testament in secular Greek use of language, have. Examples are millions upon millions.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

So the better translation of the first part of this verse would be Now on the first of the Sabbatons while it was dark. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

“… on the first of the Sabbatons …” has already been answered and refuted.

 

Re: DN,

1) “while it was dark” …

2) “when it was yet dark” KJV 1611

3) “früh da es noch finster war” Luther 1914

4) “early, while it still was dark” OAV 1933

5) “the morning early while it still was dark” NAV 1971

6) “the Sunday morning early when it was dark still” NAV 1979

7) “the Sunday morning early when it was dark still” BB 1986

8) “early when it was still dark” MLB 1969

9) “early while it was still dark” RSV 1952

10) “very early in the morning while it was still dark” Phillips 1960

11) “early Sunday morning while it was still dark” LB

12) “dès le matin, comme il faisait encore obscure” Louis Segond 1963

These few – but, I believe representative – examples of translations are distinguished in John 20:1, by …

 

A.

One, That “dark” is an Adjectival — not a Noun as in the Text, ‘(heh) skotía’, “(the) darkness”.

Two, That “dark” is Nominative — not Genitive / Possessive as in the Text, ‘skotías’, “of (the) darkness.

Three, That “dark” is an Adjectival forming a Predicate in conjunction with an Auxiliary Verb, “(it) was dark” — not as in the Text, a Noun ruling an Auxiliary Participle to Gender and Case, “being darkness”, ‘ousehs skotias’.

 

B.

One, That the earliest translations, like KJV – avoided using the Adjective “early”, ‘proh-i’.

Two, That translations since the twentieth century treat the simple Adjective, “early, ‘proh-i’, in the phrase, “early darkness” as a Predicative Adverb, “(it was) early” …

Three, … transforming it into an Adverbial Nomen, “early”, or “early morning” or “morning early” etcetera.

 

C.

Just about all translations focus the Adverb, “still”, ‘eti’, on the Adjectival, “dark”, “still dark”; not like the Text requires, on the Adjective, “being still EARLY darkness”; or on the Verbal Participle, “still BEING early darkness”.

 

And through these different ‘methods’ all the deemed ‘translations’, transform the meaning of the clause, ‘pro-i skotias eti ousehs’, “STILL BEING EARLY DARKNESS”, into its direct opposite and negation, because “Still being early darkness” or “Being still early darkness” is at the BEGINNING of night just after sunset; while any of the examples says it was the ending of night just before sunrise.

 

But only perceive the events that lead up to Jesus’ first appearance to Mary Magdalene, and it immediately strikes one that this coming to the tomb of Mary Magdalene is the event that set off every subsequent action by anyone in the drama during the rest of that night until Jesus “early on the First Day of the week appeared to Mary Magdalene, first.”

 

Mary Magdalene was the first person to see that the stone was removed from the tomb. She nor anyone else yet knew whether the body was still in the grave or not. So every going to and coming home from the tomb during the hours of that night AFTER Jesus’ Resurrection, was set in motion in chain-reaction sequence by Mary’s FIRST _SIGHT_ of the rolled away tomb-STONE. To claim John 20:1 confirms the occasion and time of Jesus’ Resurrection is absurd, obnubilate, obfuscated and confused.

Dennis Neufeld:

This would have put Mary at the open grave just after sundown on Sabbath, which would mean that Jesus must have been resurrected before sundown on the first Sabbath after the Passover.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Yes, Jesus rose on the Seventh Day Sabbath; and yes, that was “on the first Sabbath after the Passover“; there is nothing technical

about “this“.

 

But once the sun was down AFTER that Seventh Day Sabbath, it had had become the First Day of the week already BEFORE Mary had gone to the tomb. Therefore it is WRONG to say “This would have put Mary at the open grave just after sundown on Sabbath“.

This would have put Mary in SIGHT of the cast away STONE-door of the grave, “just after sundown”, BUT, “on the First Day of the week”— EXACTLY as found translated in John 20:1.

 

But as Neufeld says, it “would mean that Jesus must have been resurrected before sundown on the first Sabbath after the Passover“. Yes, the first “SEVENTH Day Sabbath” after the passover. Definitely yes, on the first weekly Sabbath after the capital letter “Passover”— name of the passover’s ‘sabbath’!

 

Which solid fact by the way, confirms our explanation of the clause “proh-i skotia eti ousehs” with “being early darkness still / being dusk still”, as beyond any doubt — AND, confirms just as solidly “that Jesus must have been resurrected before sundown“, BEFORE “… the First Day OF THE WEEK“.

Because “the first Sabbath after the Passover” was the first WEEKLY Sabbath after

1), the ‘passover’ Abib 14;

and after

2), the passover’s ‘sabbath’ Abib 15.

(However, whichever making NO difference to the TIME, of

Mary’s first SIGHT of the cast away door-STONE having been “on the First Day-of-the-week” AFTER Abib 16 the Sabbath before it, and therefore making NO difference to the TIME, of Mary’s first SIGHT of the cast away door-STONE having been “the First Day-of-the-week” on Abib 17.)

 

I would like to make a note at this point of our conversation, Dennis Neufeld, your courtesy, thanks.

 

I have read your article for only a few lines section for section as I commented on it. I have not read the whole of it even now. But right from the start I knew what your thesis in the last analysis would be based on. I will now tell what I knew that basis is going to be.

 

No, I am not clairvoyant or ‘inspired’; just experienced. You see, _ALL_ Wednesday-crucifixion theories depend on one, same, single supposition. You, Dennis, is obviously not aware of it that your whole position on the ‘three days issue’, is kept up by the principle of legalism.

 

I am not judging or condemning you, be assured. You do not intentionally trust the legalism involved; your motives are pure, I fully believe.

 

How do I say legalism is the strength and grounds of your whole understanding of the ‘three days’? What SHOWS it? THIS— the undeniable fact TWO ‘sabbaths’ occurred during ANY coincidence of the annual seven days feast of unleavened bread and the regular week.

 

What has that to do with legalism, you may ask?

 

Watch! I say it is coming in what remains in this conversation. If it does not pop up fat and smug in its arrogance, I shall be the king on his horse paraded through the city streets, naked. If it does get exposed, then it [Please, I don’t say you!] … then IT, must be made a show of openly by the triumphant overcoming of Jesus Christ over the works of the Law.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

This [“Now on the first of the Sabbatons while it was dark” in lieu of “Now on the first day of the week … early, while it was still dark“] would make complete sense to a Jewish reader but either did not make sense to the translators or, possibly, the translators understood the real meaning and changed the word to suit their purposes. Is it possible that the translators changed the meaning to put Jesus’ resurrection on Sunday morning?

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

I don’t think the Greek would make much sense to a Jewish reader either way. Unless perhaps he was a Christian.

 

As far as the meaning of “sabbatohn” is concerned, I think you have been the one for whom it did not make sense, while the translators understood the real meaning and translated perfectly in John 20:1.

 

But you are right that the translators understood the real meaning of the adverbial clause of time, “prohï skotias eti ousehs”, “while being early darkness / dusk still”, but INTENTIONALLY CORRUPTED the meaning “to put Jesus’ resurrection on Sunday morning … to suit their [shameful, haughty,] purposes“!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared.  Luke 24:1.

The Greek word which was translated dawn or daybreak in this verse (and in Acts 5:21)  is, in reality, a word which  means just the opposite.  The word is not dawn but nocturne, or turn of night.  In the western world we naturally associate the word daybreak with sunrise, so we would assume that this would hold the same meaning in the Hebrew world of Christ’s time. This is just not the case.  Daybreak  means the break between days-the end of one day and the beginning of another. This Nocturne occurred at sundown not at sunrise.  This would affect our understanding about when the women actually went to the tomb-they would have gone there just after sunset at the close of the Sabbath, at the very beginning of the first day of the week.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

I am very sorry, with respect, but I cannot agree with anything that you say here. You obviously are at the cruel mercy of misinformation. You wasted what I still believe, was honest effort.

 

Best for me will be not to try to refute your arguments, but simply to present the information at my disposal.

 

The Greek word which was translated dawn or daybreak in this verse … Luke 24:1 …
(and in Acts 5:21) is….” not one, but two, found in an Adjectival phrase of time, “órthrou bathéohs”.

‘orthrou’ here from ‘orthros’ x3, Luke 24:1 John 8:2 Acts 5:21

 

In John 8:2, “orthros … palin”, “morning … again”, ‘as usual’; “all the people came to Him in the temple”— clearly “morning” after sunrise;

 

In Acts 5:21, “hupo orthron”, “about morning”, “people entered the temple” — clearly “morning” after sunrise;

 

Luke 21:38, “ohrthridzen”, “all the people in the temple”— clearly “morning” after sunrise;

 

In Revelation 22:16, “ho astehr ho lampros ho orthrinos / prohïnos”, “the bright like a lamp [in the night] morning star”,

clearly “morning” before sunrise;

 

In the LXX about 80 times in different forms normally meaning ‘morning’ = ‘early daylight’ before or after sunrise.

 

Therefore, why would ‘orthros’ not mean ‘about sunrise’ in Luke 24:1 as well?

 

For two reasons,

One, That the word ‘orthros’ is used in conjunction with other words or in another word-form. It is the other WORDS used in the context that help give ‘orthros’ its more precise meaning. Our examples illustrate it well.

 

Two, That the nature, sequence and interlocking in the wider context of EVENTS determine, necessitate and even force upon certain things in the narrower context, inevitable meaning.

 

As to reason One then,

In Luke 24:1 – like in our examples above – another word helps to give “orthros” its more precise contextual meaning. We shall get to that word, soon.

 

As to reason Two,

The visit described in Luke 24:1-11 must have been the first visit the women paid the grave that night.

It must have been after Mary “while it was still early darkness” before dark of night, had seen the stone was cast away from the tomb— recorded in John 20:1,2.

It must have been before Jesus “early on the First Day of the week, appeared to Mary Magdalene first”— recorded in Mark 16:9 and John 20:11-17.

 

Jesus’ appearance to Mary was his first appearance, and therefore Mark 16:9 and John 20:11-17 are earlier than Matthew 28:9,10 when He appeared to the other women— Jesus’ second appearance.

 

The time-indication as well as event, “orthros batheohs” in Luke 24:1 therefore fall right in the middle between “dusk” in the west and “dawn” in the east … “DEEPEST MORNING-OF-NIGHT”. Logically and linguistically there cannot be any problem implied as far as the time of night is concerned in Luke 24:1— plain fact and act so far. And further plain fact and act will confirm. But that is for another day.

 

Therefore let us now return …

… to reason One,

 

… Luke 24:1 … another word helps to give “orthros” its more precise contextual meaning.

That word is “batheohs” from ‘bathos’.

Jona 2:5, “the DEPTH closed me round about.” Psalm 69:2; 129:1, Job 28:11 Proverbs 18:3 Ecclesiastes 7:25 Isaiah 7:11; 51:10 Ezekiel 26:20; 27:34; 31:14,18; 32:18,22,24; 43:13,14 Amos 9:3 Micah 7:19 Zacharias 10:11.

**Judges 5:30, ‘divide’, ‘bathos’ variant for ‘bamma’.

 

In this one word “DEPTH”, “BATHOS / BATHEOHS” as in the DEEPEST OF DEPTHS of NIGHT or SEA or EARTH or SIN or DEATH or THE DEAD or PIT, we discover such DEPTH of the REDEEMING Gospel of Jesus Christ one could devote a life’s study to it.

 

To me it has been of overwhelming meaningfulness that with this first visit by the women “IN THE DEPTH of the DARKNESS of NIGHT” in Jesus’ TOMB in the EARTH in the DEPTH of the PIT of his ARK the COFFIN of DEATH— that “they found not the body”! They found nothing of “that which remained” of “Our Passover” and “Lamb” sacrificed for our sins! They found no SIN’S remains! They found not the SERPENT of sin IN HIS ABODE, nor a VICTIM of his! The women found in the SERPENT’S hole and kingdom of DARKNESS “where(in) they laid Him”, EMPTINESS! In truth, they found the very place where God cast all sins of his redeemed away to forever FORGET it!

 

I see this today for the first time in my life as I perused the Scriptures (in the LXX) given herewith.

 

O God, please let me say that I love you because you loved me first!

 

Man, God is great! His Word can never be exhausted!

 

Alright.

Dennis Neufeld:

The Greek word [batheohs] … is … turn of night … the break between days-the end of one day and the beginning of another….

 

It does not sound wrong or impossible that “the Deep” can mean the ‘turning point’. What could better fit that meaning than midnight, the deepest of the night?

 

Nevertheless I could find only one Scripture that , literally might support your idea of “bathos” meaning a ‘dividing point’ or “turn” or ‘split’. But that incidence is a faulty use of ‘bathos’ in the place of the correct word. **Judges 5:30, ‘divide’, ‘bathos’ variant for ‘bamma’.

 

Then it must be stressed that nothing in connection with the word ‘bathos – batheohs’ suggests or supports the evening or the morning, that one must be the “nocturne” in favour of the other. It is unnecessary that any should get preference because the duration of the Bible day from sunset to sunset needs no better or outside help to stand on its own than what it gets from the Scriptures itself.

Understanding the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” rather depends on the simplest explanation possible. Just read Paul in the two places where he explained how it happened that he understood the “three days” the way he did, 1Corinthians 15:3 and 11:23, “I have received of the Lord that which I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which He was betrayed took bread …” WHAT SCRIPTURE CAME UP as it were BEFORE PAUL’S EYES? Exodus— the story of the exodus of Israel from Egypt found all across “the Scriptures”! And we New Testament Christians are privileged above the Old Testament Christians in that we have the ANTI-TYPE from which to ‘calculate’ events and days and dates and times.

 

 

Dennis Neufeld:

And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Luke 23:55-56

Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdelene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. Mark 16:1

Notice that in one of the passages they prepared spices then rested on the Sabbath, and in the other they rested the on Sabbath then bought spices. So who is correct, Mark or Luke? Is one lying? Are both correct? Or could this dichotomy merely be a different perspective looking at the same event? If that is the case then that would mean that there were two Sabbaths with a preparation day in between. Is this a real possibility? It appears that Scripture indicates that there were two Sabbaths: one was a Festival Sabbath, the Passover; the other was a 7th-day Sabbath. Each had their own preparation day, but it was the one between the two Sabbaths that is indicated in the two previous texts. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

My first

Question,

 

What is it that makes Dennis Neufeld think there was “… one day … between the two Sabbaths that is [Sic.] indicated in the two previous texts“, “Luke 23:55-56” and “Mark 16:1“?

 

My second

Question,

 

What makes Dennis Neufeld think there are “two
Sabbaths” indicated in the two texts? In other words, Why, according to Dennis Neufeld, would the two texts not indicate the SAME Sabbath?

 

As far as I can see, Dennis Neufeld has NO reason to think 1 or 2

Let us see what the two texts say …

 

>> “Luke 23:50-56” <<

What happened before verse 50?

“The ninth hour … Jesus gave up the ghost” v44b, 46b

Verse 48,

All the people that came together TO THAT SIGHT” – of Jesus’ crucifixion and death – “having witnessed the things of THAT SIGHT that were done, flabbergasted, WENT BACK HOME.”

 

What happens in Luke 23:50?

Joseph arrives.

 

What happens in Luke 23:51?

Nothing; it is a parenthesis containing Joseph’s credentials.

 

What happens in Luke 23:52,53?

Joseph buries Jesus [and closes the grave and goes away Mark

16:46c Matthew 27:60d].

 

What happens in Luke 23:54?

Nothing; a parenthesis is recorded of the past 21 hours of the day in which Joseph “to the Law of Jewish ethics” [the Torah] initiated and finished to bury Jesus “by the time of the Jews’ preparations” John 19:42, “mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing”.

 

What happens in Luke 23:55?

Nothing; it is a parenthesis containing the minutes of the women present at the Burial.

 

What happens in Luke 23:56a?

The women “returned home and prepared spices and ointments.”

 

What happens in Luke 23:56b?

“The women began to rest the Sabbath according to the [Fourth] Commandment” the Seventh Day-Sabbath.

 

When would they have begun to rest?

At the START of the Seventh Day-Sabbath “according to the [Fourth] Commandment”— IMMEDIATELY after the women had done their AFOREMENTIONED preparations.

 

When did the women prepare their spices?

Luke 23:54a,

“That Day was / has been The Preparation.”

Luke 23:54b,

“It was mid-afternoon the Sabbath Day approaching” [“due to the Jews’ preparations to be made.” John 19:42]

Three hours remained until sundown.

Seven eighths of the day – 21 of its 24 hours – have elapsed.

 

The very next words in Luke’s narrative after the words, “… began to rest [Ingressive Aorist] the Sabbath according to the Fourth

Commandment …”, are:

“As soon as on the First Day of the week, they came to the grave.”

 

Luke speaks of the Seventh Day Sabbath.


>> “Mark 16:1“<<

 

What happened in Mark before 16:1?

“Jesus gave up the ghost.” 15:37 (Luke 23:44b, 46b)

 

What happens in Mark where

in Luke 23:48 is found a parenthesis recorded of

All the people that came together TO THAT SIGHT” – of Jesus’ crucifixion and death – “having witnessed the things of THAT SIGHT that were done, flabbergasted, WENT BACK HOME“?

 

Mark OMITTED it.

 

What happens in Mark 15:42?

Joseph arrives. (Luke 23:50)

 

What happens in Mark 15:43a?

Nothing; it is a parenthesis containing Joseph’s credentials. (Luke 23:51)

 

What happens in Mark 15:43b-46?

Joseph buries Jesus and closes the grave [and goes away Matthew 27:60d]. (Luke 23:52,53)

 

What is in Mark where

in Luke is found a parenthesis recorded of the past 21 hours of the day in which Joseph “to the Law of Jewish ethics” [the Torah] initiated and finished to bury Jesus [“by the time of the Jews’ preparations” John 19:42], “mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing”?

Nothing. Mark did not record it.

What happens in Mark 15:47?

Nothing; it is a parenthesis containing the minutes of the women present at the Burial. (Luke 23:55)

 

What happens in Mark where in Luke the women “returned home and prepared spices and ointments” (Luke 23:56a)?

 

Mark omitted it

 

What happens in Mark where in Luke

“The women began to rest the Sabbath according to the [Fourth] Commandment” the Seventh Day-Sabbath. (Luke 23:56b)?

 

Mark omits it. He perhaps chose other sources than Luke.

 

The very next words in Mark’s narrative after the parenthesis containing the minutes of the women present at the Burial, 15:47, are,

“And when the Sabbath was over Mary Magdalene and Mary of James and Salome, bought sweet spices that when they go they could anoint Him … So very early on the First day of the week …”.

 

Mark in 16:1 speaks of the Seventh Day Sabbath and the “First Day of the week” after the Seventh Day Sabbath— the very one and same “Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment” that Luke writes about in 23:54b and 56b.

 

We find therefore, that according to

Dennis Neufeld:

there were two Sabbaths: one was a Festival Sabbath, the Passover; the other was a 7th-day Sabbath. Each had their own preparation day“.

 

SURE!

There were two Sabbaths:

One was a “Festival Sabbath“—

the passover’s “FEAST” Leviticus 23:6a of Unleavened Bread’-, ‘sabbath’ Leviticus 23:11,15,16.

It was “the first day …” [of “seven days” Leviticus 23:6b] “… no leavened bread shall be eaten” Leviticus 23:15b— Abib 15.

 

“The Preparation of the passover’s” “Sabbath Festival” John 19:14, was “the very first day ye shall REMOVE leaven” Leviticus 23:15, “the day they always had to KILL the passover” Luke 22:7 Mark 14:12.

“The Preparation of the passover” John 19:14 was “the first day of removing leaven, when they always KILLED the passover” Luke 22:7 Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 John 13:1,30 1Corinthians 11:23— Abib 14.

 

“… the other (‘sabbath’) was a 7th-day Sabbath“— AS SEEN IN THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS in both Luke 23 and Mark 15 and 16 analysed above.

 

It had its own Preparation Day, “The Preparation which is The Fore-Sabbath” Mark 15:42-47 Matthew 27:57-61 Luke 23:50-56a John 19:31-42.

 

Here now the definitive factor!!!

 

This “The Preparation which is The Fore-Sabbath” Mark 15:42-47 Matthew 27:57-61 Luke 23:50-56a John 19:31-42, “… WAS GREAT DAY OF SABBATH” of the passover.

 

It was the ‘Friday’, in the year that our Lord was crucified, died, and was buried and “Late on the Sabbath” resurrected from the dead again, that was “great day of sabbath’s” “BONE-day” of the Passover of Yahweh. The Sixth Day of the week in that year was both the Preparation of the weekly Sabbath Day and the annual sabbath day of the passover. While ‘Thursday’ the Fifth Day’ was both “the passover” AND “The Preparation of the passover” on which the lamb was slaughtered and the leaven (of life) was removed.

 

There was no ‘work-day’ in between the passover’s ‘sabbath’ and the ‘weekly Sabbath’. But between “the first day they KILLED the passover” and “the third day” “Our Passover” rose from the dead again, there was “THAT SELF-SAME DAY”, the Lord Jesus’ “BONE-DAY”— the “body” of “that which remained”, “not broken or severed” one bone, or one bone from another, but “HOLDING TO THE HEAD”, “not to see corruption”, “BROUGHT BACK FROM THE DEAD: OUR GREAT SHEPHERD”.

 

Liturgy

Antiphonary

 

Prelector,

With reference to “THAT DAY”, “BONE-DAY”,

we confess …

 

Women and children, say,

“That which remained”, “the body of Jesus”, “was BURIED”, “in the earth”, “in the HEART of the earth”, the “Pit” and “Deep”.

 

All men, say,

“THAT SELFSAME, OF SUBSTANCE, DAY-of-BONES …

 

Women and children, say,

“… it being day-of-atonement for you to make reconciliation …

 

All men, say,

“… an OFFERING-MADE-BY-FIRE BEFORE THE LORD YOUR GOD.”

 

Women and children, say,

“Ye shall burn it with fire …” “that his soul shall not be left in hell or His flesh shall see corruption.”

 

All men, say,

“My bones are pierced in Me … my bones are burned with heat.”

 

Women and children, say,

“Strong pieces of brass are his bones”, “holding to the Head”, “His bones altogether shall not be broken or severed.”

 

All men, say,

“The God of Peace BROUGHT from the dead again that Great Shepherd our Lord Jesus” …

 

In unison, say,

“CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE, CHRIST THE BONE” …

 

All the Congregation, answer,

Amen!

 

Prelector:

… and confirm,

“Christ is the SUBSTANCE and BONE”, “For if JESUS having entered into his own Rest had given them Rest, there therefore for the People of God remains FEAST-OF-SABBATHS’-rest.”

 

The Preparation of the passover?

John 19:14 “it was the preparation-day of the passover and the sixth hour” and therefore sunrise Jewish time the beginning of the ‘first hour’, “when he says, Behold your King!”

Yes, ‘passover-day’- “when they KILLED the passover”, had been over, before, Joseph had arrived on the scene, “As soon as evening had arrived on that Festival-Sabbath.” Mark 15:42 John 19:31,38.

 

And no less than 12 hours BEFORE Joseph had arrived on the scene after that ‘Preparation day for the Passover Festival-Sabbath‘, Pilate its morning “the sixth hour“, sunrise, “delivered Him to them …”, having said to them, “Behold your King! … the beginning of the ‘first hour’, ‘Jewish time’.

 

At this point in time of day, Jesus’ ‘trial’ had been going on since “early” [‘prohï’] before sunrise, first, until the first cock crow before the high priests —John 18:27 Mark 15:15, 18, 20c Matthew 27:26, 29d, 31c Luke 23:24, 25b, 26a— and from there, to before Pilate in front of his palace until sunrise and the last cock-crow “the sixth hour” —Luke 22:61c, Mark 15:1 Matthew 27:1,2 Luke 22:53b,54 John 18:28—, when “he delivered Him to them …”, having said to them, “Behold your King! And they led Him away to be crucified.”

 

Therefore,

FROM

Mark 15:42 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50,

“… came Joseph … it having had become evening already since it was The Preparation … The Preparation that is The Fore-Sabbath … because THAT DAY was great day sabbath” …

 

UNTIL

Luke 23:54 John 19:42

“… THAT DAY mid-afternoon towards the Sabbath … by the time of the Jews’ preparations …”

 

UNTIL

Luke 23:56b

“… the women began to rest the Sabbath …”

 

… it has been BURIAL-day, all day long, night, and, then, day— the passover’s, “great day of sabbath”.

‘Friday’ was that ‘sabbath’ called “Feast of Unleavened Bread”, the first one of “the two festival Sabbaths … between …” which “a seventh-day Sabbath fell“. Dennis Neufeldt, “If a seventh-day Sabbath fell between the two festival Sabbaths” viz., the two ‘sabbaths’ of the first and the seventh Days of Unleavened Bread.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Harken back to the description of the Passover in Exodus 12. God never gives any instructions or does anything without there being some lesson involved for His people. If the description and practice of Passover and Unleavened Bread as described in the Old Testament is the symbol of what would take place in order to free the world from sin then would God through Jesus not follow exactly the same scenario to the letter?  Every element in the description of the Passover is followed to the letter in the events surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Amen!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

However, not necessarily as it would appear in the Gospel accounts. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

On the contrary! As the passover appears in the Gospel’s accounts in the Anti-Type “Our Passover”, so was every element surrounding the events of the Crucifixion, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus “necessarily followed“— having virtually to the letter been prophesied in the type.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

We know from Scripture that Jesus, as the Passover lamb, was killed on the eve of Passover on the 14th day of the 7th month. This day had to be a Preparation day for a Festival Sabbath-the

Passover. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Just now we won’t know where we are, on planet earth on passover or in heaven on judgment-day!

Yes, Jesus was killed on passover “the ninth hour” 3 p.m. “on the 14th day” … of the __First__ Month Abib (Nisan) … not “… the 7th month“. I accept it is just an oversight.

Good!

Then yes, “This day had to be a Preparation day for a Festival Sabbath-the Passover.”

Perfect!

“…Preparation day for …” and …

BEFORE the Feast-of-passover”,

PPO tehs heortehs tou pascha’ its

NIGHT: John 13:1, 30 1Corinthians 11:23 John 18:28; 19:14

UNTIL

DAY its “ninth hour” 3 p.m.: Matthew 27:50,56 Luke 23:44-49 Mark 15:37-41

AND

its afternoon after, “desolated”, “left alone”, “forsaken”

UNTIL

SUNSET: before when COMMENCED the “Festival Sabbath-the Passover“.

 

The “Festival Sabbath-the Passover“…

FROM

SUNSET beginning its NIGHT: Mark 15:42 John 19:31,38 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50

UNTIL

DAY “late”, ‘opse’, its “mid-afternoon”, ‘tehi epiphohskousehi’ 3 p.m.: John 19:42 Luke 23:54

UNTIL BEFORE SUNSET when

after sunset COMMENCED “the Sabbath according to the Fourth Commandment” Luke 23:56b.

Dennis Neufeld:

Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him. But they said, “Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar among the people.”  Matt. 26:3-5  

The chief priests and the scribes could not take the chance of putting Jesus to death on the Passover for fear of an uprising by the people. (Mk 14:1-2) His death would have to be accomplished prior to the Passover. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Yes, and, no.

 

Seen in sequence of events and days …

1) … from TWO days BEFOREHis death” …

Matt. 26:3-5“,

 

“Ye know that after two days is the passover and the Son of Man to be CRUCIFIED
IS BETRAYED” … Jesus telling his disciples on ‘Tuesday’ about ‘Thursday’.

 

Seen in sequence of events and days …

2) … from the day BEFOREHis death” …

Mark 14:1-2“,

 

“After two days was the Feast of the ‘Passover-of-Unleavened-Bread” (eaten). “The high priests [Annas and Caiaphas] sought how they might take Him by craft and put Him to death … BUT, said they, NOT ON the FEAST-day”, “Mk 14:1-2” … the connivers plotting among themselves with the view to killing Jesus before the Feast. They ONLY HAD, “the day before the Feast” John 13:1, “the Preparation of the passover” John 19:14, “the day it always had been that they should kill the passover” Luke 22:7 Mark 14:12.

The chief priests and the scribes could not for fear of an uprising put Jesus to death on the Passover’s FEAST-day for eating unleavened bread. “His death would have to be accomplished ___prior___ to the FEAST.” (Emphasis GE) 

 

Seen in sequence of events and days …

3) … from the day OFHis death” …

John 13:1,30; 18:28; 19:14; 1Corinthians 11:23 …

 

Because “His death would have to be accomplished prior to the FEAST“, the Jews – unknowingly – would kill Jesus on the proper day for sacrificing the passover lamb— the fourteenth day of the First Month and the day “before the Feast-day” John 13:1.

 

If Jesus was delivered crucified and died

…the day they as always had to KILL the passover

and REMOVE LEAVEN on” – Abib 14, Luke 22:7 Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17, Leviticus 23:15b 1Corinthians 11:23 John 13:1,30; 18:28; 19:14 –

– then, when “Pilate delivered Him over to them to be crucified” and they crucified Him and He “the ninth hour”, died, was “The Preparation-of-the-Passover“, the Fifth Day of the week (‘Thursday’) and Abib 14, “the first, first day” of the passover. Leviticus 23:15a.

 

And then the day AFTER “The Preparation-of-the-Passover”, was “The Preparation which is The Fore-Sabbath” AND, “that day (which) because great day of sabbath, was” “The FEAST of Unleavened Bread”, Abib 15— the Sixth Day of the week, ‘Friday’.

 

Therefore the Fifth Day of the week – ‘Thursday’ –, was “the Preparation of the passover” on which “Pilate had delivered Him over to them to be crucified” and they crucified Him and He “the ninth hour”, Abib 14, “according to the Scriptures, died for our sins.” 1Corinthians 15:3b. The Jews ONLY HAD, “the day before the Feast” John 13:1, “the Preparation of the passover” John 19:14, “the day it always had been that they should kill the passover” Luke 22:7 Mark 14:12 because the next day, the Sixth Day – ‘Friday’ – would be “the Feast”.

 

Seen in sequence of events and days …

4) … from the day AFTERHis death” …

Mark 15:42 to Luke 23:54-56a …

 

One day after “His death“, “It was The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath“, ‘Friday’. The day of “His death” therefore, must have been the day before “the Fore-Sabbath day”, namely “the Preparation of the Passover” and “the day they had to kill the Passover on”.

 

The Feast” was the “SUBSTANCE- or BONE-day“, “according to the Scriptures”, Abib 15— in the year of our Lord’s death, “The Preparation that is The Fore-Sabbath“, the Sixth Day of the week [‘Friday’]

Mark 15:42 John 19:31 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50.

 

Naturally the Fifth Day of the week (‘Thursday’), was “the Preparation of the passover” and its “very first day” on which “Pilate had delivered Him over to them to be crucified” and they crucified Him and He “the ninth hour”, Abib 14, “according to the Scriptures, died for our sins” “all leaven removed” from “the House of the Living”. 1Corinthians 15:3b.

 

If “The Feast” had been “The Preparation that is The Fore-Sabbath” – the Sixth Day of the week [‘Friday’] – Mark 15:42 John 19:31 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50— Abib 15 “The Feast” and “FILLING-IN-SUBSTANCE-EATING-day”— “no bone” or ‘leg’ of time behind or before “severed or broken” from another but “brought with”, “together”, “out”—

it bound together

the foregoing “day they killed the passover”,

and,

the following day the day of the “First Sheaf OFFERING” that was “waved BEFORE THE LORD” IN RESURRECTION-LIFE OF CHRIST “on the Sabbath Day” and God “rested Him up again” Isaiah 57:15 and let Him “ride upon the high places of the earth because He called the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, and honourable” Isaiah 58:13. While all men deemed it despicable and preferred the day of the lord Sun to “The Lord’s Day”.

 

Seen in sequence of events and days …

5) … from TWO days AFTERHis death” …

Matthew 28:1-4 …

 

Jesus had to resurrect from the dead on the Seventh Day Sabbath “God thus concerning did speak“, “by the prophets in the past and, in these last days by the Son.” “The THIRD day according to the Scriptures” therefore, “late on the Sabbath mid-afternoon there was a great earthquake“, that marked both day and time and event, of Christ’s Resurrection.

 

Seen in sequence of events and days …

6) … in retrospectSINCE the third day”, SINCE “they always killed the passover” …

 

If “Today _ON_ the First Day of the week is the

third day SINCE these things [when] the chief priests and our rulers condemned Him to death and they have crucified Him happened”,

then

“the Sabbath” before “on the First Day of the week”, is the second day “SINCE these things [when] the chief priests and our rulers condemned Him to death and they have crucified Him, happened”;

and then

“The Preparation that is The Fore-Sabbath”,

is the first day “SINCE these things [when] the chief priests and our rulers condemned Him to death and they have crucified Him, happened”;

and

then

“The Preparation of the passover” before “The Preparation that is the Fore-Sabbath”— the Fifth Day of the week— is, the, day, that, “the chief priests and our rulers condemned Him to death and crucified Him”, and He, died.

 

Thus,

ON the First Day of the week the

third day SINCE these things” is Abib 17;

and

“the Sabbath” before “on the First Day of the week”, is Abib 16;

and

“The Preparation that is The Fore-Sabbath”,

is Abib 15;

and

“The Preparation of the passover” before “The Preparation that is the Fore-Sabbath”,

is Abib 14.

Which really, all, and altogether, only is “reasonable”, simple, factual, true, and above all, BIBLICAL.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Would it be reasonable for the practicing Jews who wrote the Gospels to say that Jesus did not know or seem to understand the sequence of events that had to take place for the Passover Lamb (Christ Himself) to be killed at the proper time?

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

The men “who wrote the Gospels” most definitely were NOT “the

practicing Jews” … Neufeld again “reasoning“, as were it fact!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Jesus was quite obviously familiar with the Scriptures in a way no one of His day (or ours) could match. Did Jesus not realize that He would not be eating the Passover meal with His disciples and that He would be the Passover lamb? (He ate the Last Supper with them on Tuesday evening.) 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

First you state fact, spot on, saying,

Did Jesus not realize that He would not be eating the Passover meal with His disciples and that He would be the Passover lamb?

 

Then you spoil the truth with a silly assumption again, saying,

He ate the Last Supper with them on Tuesday evening.

 

But I realise the depth and therefore the difficulty of “this dichotomy“, that it indeed may be due to a vastly “different perspective looking at the same event“.

 

I mean, Jesus did not physically eat “at the table” on “that night”— not as much as one morsel of bread or drop of the wine that “He gave to them, and said, This is my body … this is my blood” despite “I with desire desired to”! But He “IN HIS SPIRIT”, ate, and was, that Bread and that Wine of Life the “cup” of which its SUFFERING, He prayed God NOT to let pass from before Him, but to let it BE, HIS, PASSOVER— The Passover-of-YAHWEH’S, “Our Passover’s!

 

So He did not eat IN THAT He ate, and Himself, was, the Passover BEING EATEN AND DRUNK FROM “this mine hour” and “the hour of evil men” and of “the Kingdom of My Father” and of “the kingdom of darkness” in the Conflict of the Ages: AT ONCE FOR FINAL AND FOREVERMORE.

From which “Great Day of Almighty God”, “Christ rose from the dead the third day”, “made Christ and Lord”: “Lord-of-the-Sabbath-Day”. “And God the Seventh Day from all his works RESTED” “in heavenly places of Glory and Majesty-on-High.”

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Did He really not understand the significance of the timing of events of Passover and His role in them? Did the disciples not know about the order in which the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread must take place (according to the Law in Exodus 12?) It seems unreasonable to think that this could be the case.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

O yes they, like Jesus, knew every ‘technicality’ “of the timing of events of Passover“, but only He, knew and understood and willingly, obediently and DETERMINED, entered upon ‘PASCHA’–ACTIVE SUFFERING, and engaged in BATTLE with the eye FIXED on VICTORY! … while they, his disciples, slept …

 

Dennis Neufeld:

On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord;  seven days you must eat unleavened bread.  Lev. 23: 5-6.

Now on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover.” Matt.26:17

Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?”  Mark 14:12

When the first day of Unleavened Bread came the Passover lamb had already been slain and the Passover meal had already been eaten. Either these writers had  not studied the Scriptures well enough to understand the sequence of events pertaining to the Passover, which is highly unlikely, or someone changed what they said to fit an alternative understanding. This seems more than likely when you read these three passages together. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Not if you read careful.

You will notice that in no mention in the Gospels of the Last Supper is it stated in the Indicative, that ‘Jesus ate’. Instead you will see that in every mention in the Gospels of the Last Supper is it stated in the Conjunctive or Subjunctive or suppositional Infinitive, that Jesus “would” eat, “might” eat, “may PREPARE TO” eat. For with THIS, the Last Supper, ‘prepares for’ Christ’s entering into the Passover-of-Yahweh, “that night”, from, “When evening had come” and “He came and sat with the twelve”, and “went out” “and it was night” and crossed “the Dark River” into “the Wine-Press” and “Olive-Press” of bitterness, gall, blood and darkness, until “that night that He was betrayed” “came the morning”, and his active Suffering the dying of the death of death “passed over” into his passive Suffering the dying of the death of death “when came their day”, the day and “hour of wicked men and the power of darkness”, and “they, took Him”, and “they, led Him away”, and “they, crucified Him”, until came “the sixth hour and there was darkness over all the land”— the darkness of “the plague that was upon Him”, “THREE DAYS, THICK DARKNESS” that He would “not move”, but would BE moved about by all forces of man and evil and hell, until _HE_ again by the final suffering of dying the death of death, “cried with a loud Voice”, “GIVING” by very last ACT: “the spirit”, “into thy hands”— the hands of his Father, with single WORD, “FINISHED”, He “passing through”, EXITING “PASCHA”- “SUFFERING”. “And everybody that came to see THAT SIGHT, RETURNED”— So that He was “FORSAKEN BY ALL” and “left ALONE” — AS BEGAN HIS EXALTATION EVEN IN DEATH … “For God suffered NOT his soul to be left in hell, nor his flesh to see corruption.” But He was buried by the rich, with The Rich … in the riches of God’s Hovering-over Presence in the Ark of the Testimony … until “IN THE FULL FELLOWSHIP OF THE TRINITY” (Schilder), “Christ was raised from the dead by the Glory of the Father” and He “by the Spirit of Holiness declared Him: The Son of God!”

 

Dennis Neufeld:

On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, saying, “Sir, we remember, while he was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’  Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.'”  Matt 27:62-64.

On the surface it seems quite curious that Matthew would use the language that he did in describing the day that followed the Preparation Day.  To a Jew the 7th-day Sabbath was the most important day of the week, and held a very special place and had a very special purpose. Feast days were a ‘type’ of  sabbath, but they were not ‘The Sabbath’. If Matthew was speaking of ‘The Sabbath’ would he not have called it just that? His use of the phrase  “On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation . . .” indicates that the day in question was NOT the weekly Sabbath but another kind, a Feast Sabbath.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Admitted, “it might seem curious that Matthew would use the language that he did in describing the day that followed the Preparation Day.” And it might seem even more curious, considering Matthew the writer was a Jew himself.

 

But what is ‘seeming’ in this instance, is not, that “To a Jew … (f)east days were a ‘type’ of  sabbath … not ‘The Sabbath’“, or, that Matthew’s “use of the phrase  “…the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation . . .” indicates that the day in question was NOT the weekly Sabbath but another kind, a Feast Sabbath.”

 

Rather, why Matthew said, “the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation” and not, ‘the Sabbath’ should be ascribed directly to Matthew’s respect and regard – not so much as a Jew, but exactly as a Christian –, for God’s Sabbath, and that he clearly could see what Christ’s resurrection meant for the Sabbath— “understand(ing) the sequence of events that had to take place for the Passover Lamb (Christ Himself) to be killed at the proper time …“. AND – it must be added –, understanding the sequence of events that had to take place for Christ at the proper time to RISE from the dead!

 

To understand, one must go to Matthew 28:5, and take to heart these words, “the angel EXPLAINING to the women, told them …” ‘apokritheis eipen tais gunaiksin’.

 

Now it is apparent just WHAT the angel “informed” the women on— things they could never themselves have found out or understand and which they were not able to first hand have experienced!

 

I say it is easy to see what it was that the angel “reported” to and “informed” the women about. He “summed up” for them and “concluded”, “indicating” to them, from what verses 1 to 4 of the 28th chapter of Matthew derived, and to what these verses related. The angel gave “feed-back”— ‘APO-kritheis’, to the women. Like one has to “ANSWER in judgment”— ‘apo-KRITHEIS’ from ‘krinein’, ‘to judge’.

 

Why make such a fuss about the Greek word? The KJV simply says, “answered”?

 

In Luke, the angels “before them, said…”, ‘eipan pros autas’;

In John, the angels “say”, to Mary, “legousin autehi”; actually they don’t answer Mary; they “ask her”;

In Mark the angel “tells them, Don’t be afraid”.

 

Only Matthew employs the two words, “tell” or “say”- ‘eipen’, AND, “answer / explain / give account”- ‘apokritheis’! So it’s Matthew who makes a fuss about the word! Let us LISTEN to what the angel “accounted to the women”; not shrug it off as of no “CONSEQUENCE”!

 

It is possible what the angel of Matthew 28:5a “concluded” and made the women attentive to. Just compare the Gospel accounts at the “sequence and events” recorded in each!

 

It is strikingly obvious WHAT the Matthew angel “INFORMED” the women on which no other angel or angels “told” them about. The “sequence and events” that Matthew’s angel in the end “CONCLUDED” on, are the “sequence and events” that are not in any other Gospel. That is how simple it is to determine where “the angel” is “informing the women” about some things OTHER than they already knew.

 

Just WHERE in Matthew does one find that which is not to be found in the other Gospels? Where “the angel”, is “EXPLAINING to the women…”

Matthew 27:

“51 And behold, the veil of the temple was rent …

and the graves were opened … and appeared unto many. … 60 … and (Joseph) departed …

62 Now after all their preparations the next morning

… came together unto Pilate … 65 said… make the sepulchre as sure as can! 66 So they went and made the sepulchre SURE, SEALING THE STONE AND SETTING A WATCH …

28:1__BUT, DESPITE__ [‘de’] IN THE END [‘opse’] SABBATH’S mid-afternoon [‘sabbatohn tehi

epiphohskousehi’] …

there was a GREAT EARTHQUAKE [‘seismos egeneto megas’] …

because the angel of the Lord descending from heaven, approaching the grave, cast away the stone and sat on it. And the guard for fright at his appearance enwrapped in lightning white as snow, fell down convulsing like one dying …

EXPLAINED the angel while he assured the women, Don’t you fear though! Because I know … I know that you are looking for Jesus. He is not here.”

 

Therefore Matthew the Christian Jew places the mention of the Sabbath right in the climactic centre of “sequence and events” that led up to Christ’s Resurrection … from … the dead … and from transgression and exploitation for selfish advantage like the high priests and Pharisees had no scruples about.

 

By having been “MADE” the Day of Christ’s Resurrection, the Sabbath received NEW origin [not an overhaul]; and after having been given that part in God’s Glory in Christ, it was invested with NEW interest worthy its NEW title of “The Lord’s Day”— “a remaining valid Sabbath of rest for the People of God” of which Jesus Christ is “the Lord” and “The Substance ministered”.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Also, no Pharisee or priest would have been caught dead going to petition a hated Roman enemy, Pilate, for anything on “The Sabbath.”  Their duty to the Sabbath was too important a religious requirement for them to do so.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

O yea? I’m not so sure!

Their duty to the Law was too important a religious requirement for them to murder an innocent doing only good Man? O yes, “Not on the Feast”, said they, the hypocrites! But little did they realise GOD WAS FORCING THEM TO OBEY their most important religious requirement according to “The Feast”! For this was GOD, FULFILLING THE LAW IN CHRIST, and their, only time of their lives that they truly “kept passover”!

 

And what about the Jews who had an unpretentious loyal Jew crucified on “the Preparation of the passover” KNOWING FULL WELL that that Victim of their madness had to remain on the Roman cross of shame on the most holy day on their religious calendar … and after, until his carcase rots off?!

 

What an embarrassment for those Jews when suddenly after the sun had set and it “had become evening already” and time for their passover feast meal, they came to their senses and realised, that “King of the Jews” is still hanging there, right in front of the open city gates straight within sight of the sanctuary’s feasting crowd! A humiliating reminder of their subjection to the hated Roman suppressor!

 

Where is their pride as they “begged Pilate” that the crosses be taken away in whatever cruel way, “BECAUSE THAT DAY WAS GREAT DAY SABBATH” and Passover-Feast?! Ah! – that disgrace removed and thrown into the rubbish pit – now we can go celebrate and show the Romans! the Jews thought.

 

For little knew they “After these things, Joseph went to Pilate and asked him for Jesus’ body.

 

The high priests and Pharisees DID NOT KNOW that Joseph obtained the body or that he buried Jesus. They DID NOT KNOW because Joseph asked Pilate “SECRETLY”, and “because he feared the Jews”, that they definitely would have prevented him to bury Jesus.

NO ONE than Joseph knew that he intended to bury Jesus, except “Nicodemus who arrived with precious myrrh” and helped Joseph with “PREPARING the body” FOR later on to be “laid in the tomb” and be “closed” within it, and for Joseph and the women who followed behind in the procession to the grave “that day afternoon toward the Sabbath”, to “return to home and do their preparations of spices”, and also for the Sabbath, of course, and to “rest on the Sabbath” after— “according to the Law”.

 

Now it is “the morning [‘epaurion’] after …” THESE, THEIR, “… preparations of the Jews” on ‘Friday’ “afternoon”, that Matthew is referring to in Matthew 27:61.

 

Matthew writes the way he does, with a purpose— to EMPHASISE CONTINGENCY. IN SPITE OF the Jews’ and Romans’ concerted effort to PREVENT that Jesus would get out of his grave, He notwithstanding DID rise from the dead and DID “come forth out” of the Pit to prove God’s WORD, sure and fast, even to the letter and day and date and time of his LORDLY TRIUMPH “ON THE THIRD DAY” … “fulfilled, SABBATH’S-time mid-afternoon” … as according to the witness of the Jews themselves, “that deceiver said while He was alive, After three days I will rise again.”

 

“That deceiver …” to the Jews; “I-AM-The-Truth … The Resurrection … and … LIFE” to the faithful!

 

In fact, “I-AM-The-Truth, The Resurrection and LIFE” “On the Sabbath Day”, “ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT OF HOLINESS DECLARED BY RESURRECTION: THE SON OF GOD WITH POWER…” “…THE THIRD DAY according to the Scriptures”— that “third day according to the Scriptures”, “the day The Seventh Day is Sabbath of the LORD your GOD”.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

… No Pharisee or priest would have been caught dead going to petition a hated Roman enemy, Pilate, for anything on “The Sabbath.”  Their duty to the Sabbath was too important a religious requirement for them to do so. But this is not the case for a Feast day which was not a ‘real’ sabbath.  The Law of Moses would not have been broken by their going to see Pilate on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.  

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

For their hate of the Roman enemy the Pharisees and priests would be caught dead rather than with the embarrassing bodies left of the crosses over their passover “great day sabbath-of-feast”! The Jews did not worry about it being a sabbath day of whatever kind, as we saw in our previous discourse. They only cared for their national pride. They were real hypocrites that did everything they did to be seen doing it or to be seen not doing it. They were full blooded religionists and LEGALISTS. And here, Dennis Neufeld has joined them in their righteousness of works. I warned you about this, Dennis Neufeld, days ago! And we shall soon see just how far you have progressed hand in hand with the Jews on your path of legalism in defence of a Wednesday crucifixion.

 

I said the Jews were real hypocrites that did everything they did to be seen doing it or to be seen not doing it. To illustrate,

According to John 18 :28, the Jews “led Jesus from Caiaphas to the hall of judgment” in Pilate’s house or palace. It was Abib 14, for the Jews “the day they had to kill the passover” Exodus 12:6 John 13:1.

“It was early! But they themselves did NOT GO IN … lest they get defiled; but they stayed outside SO THAT THEY COULD EAT their passover meal” … “in that night” after Exodus 12:8!

 

“That night” it would be “the Feast” and the first of the seven days that they would have to eat unleavened bread. “In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no secular work on it” Leviticus 23:6,7. Here is why the Jews the morning before refused to go into Pilates house. “That night” it would be “the Feast-

SABBATH”, won’t it? It would! Leviticus 23:11,15,16.

So,

“The Jews therefore –

shocked to their senses – “BECAUSE

it HAD BECOME [Ingressive Aorist ‘ehn’]

“the Preparation … and evening had come already …

John 19:31a Mark 15:42a,

– realised –

“… THAT THE BODIES SHOULD NOT REMAIN ON THE CROSS ON THE SABBATH …”

“… BECAUSE THAT SABBATH WAS GREAT DAY SABBATH”, OF PASSOVER!

 

The sunset and falling dusk reminded the Jews of the passover meal that night! But those crosses and that imposter king watching as they eat? All religious fear vanished, for sheer Jewish hypocrisy. To Pilate! Forthwith! And IN they went, where the morning before they would not dare! It must have taken them a while in Pilate the pagan’s sanctuary – “hall of judgment”; but they got what they wanted, not that it bothered them the least it meant hastened death by cruellest method, unimaginable.

 

Your holy Jews, Dennis Neufeld, who “would have been caught dead going to petition a hated Roman enemy, Pilate, for anything on “The Sabbath.”

The same Jews, Dennis Neufeld, we have seen before in this discussion, for whom “the Sabbath was too important a religious requirement for them to secure a grave on!

 

WHAT WOULD THEY CARE LESS, but it is not a case for a Feast day which was not a ‘real’ sabbath?! They would BRAKE the Law by any means and manner be it Moses’ or God’s Law JUST TO PROVE JESUS is not the Son of Man or the Son of God. They hated Him so much. That is legalism for you, Dennis Neufeld, and the arguments and convictions and motivations of, LEGALISM— employed in the service of the Wednesday crucifixion DOGMA.

 

THE IRONY THOUGH, is, that all the way every act and event and sequence and time and day, had been PREDETERMINED BY GOD … even the doers of those deeds … yea, even the names of some of both doers and events.

 

And still Dennis Neufeld is going to conclude that Gerhard Ebersöhn believes and teaches a Friday crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection? I would love to find out.

 

RR:

Oh, I KNOW that Dennis read your ‘stuff’ and I did too. Why, because we both talked about each of your posts and what we both thought about them. But that does not mean that we either understood it or agree with what you wrote, as most of it I found to be nothing but gibberish. This could be your problem with not understanding what Dennis said.

I have a serious problem when someone writes as much as you do without actually saying anything. I would throw you out of my office for not getting to the bottom line—ever. Can you actually give us your bottom line on this ONE issue in ONE simple paragraph? If so, please do.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

“Bottomline” — when a young boy I got it on my bottomline in the headmaster’s “office”. You think you scared me? I’m used to it.

 

I am not now stating my view as such; I am commenting on and criticising Neufeld’s dogma.

 

Do you want to tell me the two of you ‘read’ my comments?

Well, I recommend both of you go back to junior class to learn to read, chum. Then after you have learned to read, come tell oompie how the two of you through discussion, arrived at the conclusion that oompie holds a Sunday resurrection and Friday crucifixion.

 

Where did you go to school maatjie? Haven’t they taught you to read?

 

Oh, a special school?

Mmm, for special kids … I see. OK buddy, cheer up, go play now

 

Dennis Neufeld:

GE, Of course I have read your posts, yet as RR points out you use a lot of words to say what could be said in just a few. To try to digest and rebut all of your points would take more time than I have, and would not change your mind in the least. You come from a perspective and a position that I gave up years ago in favor of a more simple truth. You feel that by inundating your reader with copious amounts of dictation that they will be so impressed with your rhetoric that they will automatically fall in line with what you believe. Maybe this works for some, but not for either me or RR.

Could I refute your ‘findings’? Yes. Do I choose to do so? No. You are without doubt a brilliant person, yet you seem to enjoy hearing your own voice. I have been a teacher for a long time, and one of the things I have learned by instruction and by experience is that whenever a student tries to overwhelm me with words (either in writing or in a speech) I automatically understand they are just trying to fill space and pull the wool over my eyes. The more complex an argument the less likely it is true. They don’t fool me, and neither do you.

The basic principal of good teaching is: stand up, speak up, shut up. You get the first two, but you don’t know when to employ the last one.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

HOW would you “refute my findings”, sir, with respect, if you, do not even know WHAT, my ‘findings’ or conclusions or ‘BELIEF’ is, although and despite it is as clear as daylight for an HONEST AND SINCERE observer, that I, BELIEVE Christ’s “SABBATH’S”- Resurrection!

Dennis Neufeld, try refute my finding, and refute YOURSELF!

Wake up man, and show me JUST ONE instance of my “copious amounts of dictation” WRONG OR FALSE OR OBSCURE!

Come on! Hit me on the chin! Here! You see, right HERE! Come on!

HIT ME!!!!

For God’s sake I pray, do!

For God’s Truth I pray, DO!

For all honesty and integrity, HIT ME!

But what do I get ‘hit’ with? Upper-lip rhetoric, senseless, aimless, baseless talking high holy hogwash!

 

RR:

So GE, do you actually believe that God forces people to do anything? If you do, then please show me where this ever happened before. I have a problem with people who believe God forces them to do anything like become converted as Paul said he was. From my research, I have never found any place where God forced anyone to do anything as that would remove the gift of choice we all have.

You also said that the cross with Jesus on it was still up AFTER sunset. I do not agree with you on this as that time according to God’s time would be the NEXT day, a Sabbath, it being the feast of unlevin bread or the first day of the Passover.

Clearly, Jesus was placed in the tomb prior to sunset. Three days later, also prior to sunset, Jesus rose from the grave. It’s just that simple.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Rockroller, be assured, I have no intentions or wish to roll you over, to remove you to this side, or that. Man, for what I care about your conversion, you may roll down-hill all the way to into the

ditch below belowest.

However, I really appreciate, I can see that you did read my stuff! Thank you very much!

 

Say you,

You also said that the cross with Jesus on it was still up AFTER sunset. I do not agree with you on this as that time according to God’s time would be the NEXT day, a Sabbath, it being the feast of unlevin bread or the first day of the Passover.”

 

Ah! Wonderful! YOU DO SEE IT, I see! Praise and thanks to God!

EXACTLY, dear RR! Exactly.

 

O yes, you won’t agree. I understand that perfectly. And have all the sympathy with that. You see, it is exactly the road I walked on the road of my discovery of having been FOOLED the most part of my life before and in my thirties!

 

And you know WHO opened my eyes to the DECEPTION I lived in? My DECEIVERS themselves! Yes, YOUR deceivers too! The TRANSLATORS! The wise guys – the high and mighty I have since learned – they, opened my eyes with one thick of a koevoet, the stupids!

 

Read my story in the introduction in the first book of my first book, here, http://www.biblestudents.co.za ‘Books’ on the left hand side, Book 1 / 1 ‘Crucifixion’.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RR:

Clearly, Jesus was placed in the tomb prior to sunset. Three days later, also prior to sunset, Jesus rose from the grave. It’s just that simple.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Again, exactly, dear Rocky! exactly!

But think here!

When did this day start, and where do you find its beginning recorded in the Gospels?

Find the answer, and find the KEY-TRUTH conditional for the right understanding of the “three days”

THAT IS MY ‘BOTTOM LINE’!

No; I would rather say the NAKED TRUTH stated in the precise definitive word that “There was a great earthquake late on the Sabbath” in Matthew 28:1, is my ‘bottom line’.

 

Make my ‘bottom line’ these two TRUTHS in one; still better.

Because then you have two witnesses that will witness to a third day – the first of the “three days” must have been involved.

 

One, the third of the “three days”: “On the Sabbath Day mid-afternoon” back to

 

Two, the “binding”, “BONE day” of the “three days”: “THAT DAY The Preparation mid-afternoon towards the Sabbath Day”, back to

 

Three, the first day of the “three days”, viz., “The Preparation of the passover” mid-afternoon “the ninth hour”.

In a nutshell, for you, my brother, RR!

 

THE, “three days” of Christ’s last passover

… indicated and demarcated by moment-of-event—

 

Three “mid-afternoons”—

 

3rd day …

“mid-afternoon” “the third day”, “Sabbath”, “earthquake” and Resurrection Matthew 28:1;

 

2nd day …

“mid-afternoon” “that day” / “bone-day”, “the Fore-Sabbath”, “rolled stone into the door of the sepulchre” Mark 15:46;

 

1st day …

“the ninth hour” mid-afternoon, “the Preparation of the passover”, “earthquake” Matthew 27:51, “He surrendered the spirit” Luke 23:44.

 

Four “evenings” after sunset—

 

… fourth day …

evening / “dusk” of “the First Day” John 20:1,

“after the Sabbath”, Mark 16:1;

 

3rd day …

evening of “the Sabbath” Matthew 28:1,

after “The Preparation”, Luke 23:56b;

2nd day …

“evening” of “the Preparation” = “the Fore-Sabbath”

= “great day of sabbath” John 19:31 Mark 15:42,

after “the Preparation of the Passover” John 19:14;

1st day …

“evening” of “the first day on which they had to kill the passover” Luke 22:7,14 Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 John 13:1,30 1Corinthians 11:23.

 

 

 

Three “mornings” middle-of the day—

 

3rd day …

“morning” of “the Sabbath” “after the Preparation” Matthew 27:61; 28:1

2nd day …

‘morning’ “early night” of “that day … the Fore-Sabbath” “having come also Nicodemus bearing mixture to him (Joseph) they took the body” [‘elthohn pros auton nuktos to prohton’] John 19:39 Note: corrupted with addition, “to Jesus”!;

1st day …

“morning” “early” Matthew 27:1 Mark 15:1 of “the Preparation of the passover the sixth hour and he (Pilate) delivered Him over to them (the Jews)” Luke 24:20.

 

Now I would like to SEE anyone do it shorter and or more complete!

 

RR:

I do not agree here. Sealing the grave meant the whole time Jesus was in it, not just on that third day. What good would it do sealing it on the third day IF someone could steal the body prior to that third day? Let’s use some common sense for a change.[/QUOTE]

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Did the high priests and Pharisees ask Pilate to secure the grave BEFORE Joseph had closed it?!

No!

They asked “the morning AFTER the Jews’ preparations of the ‘Friday’ afternoon until sunset before, that was immediately – without any break in between – after Joseph had closed the grave with the stone— exact time STATED: “mid-afternoon the Sabbath approaching” Luke 23:54 — “the next morning” they asked to have the already closed grave, secured. Matthew 27:62a.

 

The grave was secured, at the earliest 3 hours of the Friday afternoon plus 12 hours of the Friday night and Saturday morning plus anything to about another 3 hours of the Saturday morning = +-15-18 hours AFTER Joseph had closed, it.

 

Therefore, it is not correct that “Sealing the grave meant the whole time Jesus was in it, not just on that third day“; and it is correct that sealing the grave only “on the next morning after the Jews’ preparations”, meant Jesus was in it on that third day until He resurrected “mid-afternoon” as well as on the day before from Luke 23:54 John 19:42 “mid-afternoon” until before Luke 23:56b. And of course the night in between.

 

Now “What good would it do sealing the grave on the third day IF someone could steal the body prior to that third day?

 

Well, “Let’s use some common sense for a change” – like the Jews thought they would, and the answer can only be, TO PREVENT IT HAPPEN! But of course, as we all know, common sense failed everybody this time! It didn’t happen and need not happen, because Jesus instead, rose from the dead Himself.

 

RR:

Well excuse me! Perhaps the words in Africa do not mean the same as they do in the USA. Bottom line means to sum up everthing into ONE or TWO sentences that we all can understand. Ok? Your words are very confusing to me anyway. Are they to anyone else on this thread? Yes, I understood your stance that Jesus was killed on Wed. and resurected on Saturday, but the way you go about it does not compute. So where do you get from MY words that I thought you believe in a Friday crucifixion and a Sunday resurection? I don’t believe I ever wrote that–did I? Do you understand what it meant when Jesus said ” Let your ‘yes’ be ‘yes’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no’?

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

It “does not compute” you human, because you do NOT NOT NOT “understand” it is NOT NOT NOT my “stance that Jesus was killed on Wed. and resurected on Saturday” for peat’s and mud’s sake! Your humans’ constitution darem … Eish!

 

THE, “three days” of Christ’s last passover,

Old Testament names and dates of, FULFILLED in the New Testament …

 

“Three days thick darkness … the Plague …”

 

1)

“The very first day remove leaven”, Abib 14 …


evening” –BEGINNING of “the first day on which they had TO kill the passover” Luke 22:7,14 Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 John 13:1,30 1Corinthians 11:23.


middle of day, “early” Matthew 27:1 Mark 15:1 of “the Preparation of the passover the sixth hour and he (Pilate) delivered Him over to them (the Jews) to be crucified” Luke 24:20 “morning oblation“,


beginning ending …

the ninth hour” mid-afternoon, “the Preparation of the passover”, “earthquake” Matthew 27:51, “He surrendered the spirit” Luke 23:44. “evening oblation“.

 

2)

“First day no leaven”, “BONE-day”, “Feast of Unleavend Bread”, “sabbath”, “Abib 15″—


evening” –BEGINNING of “the Preparation” = “evening” of “the Fore-Sabbath” = “evening” of “great day of sabbath” John

19:31 Mark 15:42,


early morning of night” –middle of “that day … the Fore-Sabbath” “having come also Nicodemus bearing mixture to him (Joseph) they took the body” [‘elthohn pros auton nuktos to prohton elabon to sohma’] John 19:39 Note: corrupted with addition, “to Jesus”!;


beginning ending …

“by the time / because of the Jews’ preparations … they laid Jesus there” John 19:42, “mid-afternoon that day / bone-day The Preparation” Luke 23:54 “which is the Fore-Sabbath” Mark 15:42;

“rolled stone into the door of the sepulchre” Mark 15:46c, “returned home” Matthew 27:60;

“the women returned home … prepared” Luke 23:56a.

 

3)

“Wave First Sheaf Offering”, “cleansed sanctuary day”, “day after [passover-] sabbath”, “first day COUNT ye!” “Abib 16”


(Evening when “they BEGAN to rest the Sabbath”
… significant fact in New Testament only!)


morning” –middle of “the Sabbath” “after the Preparation” Matthew 27:61; 28:1


beginning ending …

“mid-afternoon” “the third day”, “Sabbath”, “earthquake” and Resurrection Matthew 28:1.

 

Fourth day of passover …

Evening / “dusk” –BEGINNING of “the First Day” John 20:1,

AFTER the Sabbath”, Mark 16:1 …


Morning –middle of “First Day of the week early _APPEARED_

to Mary” Mark 16:9 John 20:11-17;


beginning ending mid-afternoon…

“because toward evening it is and has declined now the day” Luke 24:29.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The fact that the Pharisees mentioned Christ’s resurrection coming after three days indicates that while they hated Jesus they knew who He was (John 3:2), and for that reason they felt it needful to take precautions against the event that He might actually come back to life. It is my personal belief that the chief priests and Pharisees wanted guards at the tomb to kill Jesus if He made an attempt to leave the tomb. Of course they couldn’t imagine how badly this strategy would backfire.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Be careful that you do not phrase it so ambiguously. The Pharisees mentioned Christ’s reference to his resurrection “while He was alive”, long before when they made mention of it before Pilate. The way you said it, Jesus would have spent three days after that Sabbath in the grave. Just saying.

 

What the Jews actually did say, amounts to the fact that that day when they asked Pilate to have the grave sealed, IT WAS “THE THIRD”! In fact yes! “Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day” – ‘heohs tehs tritehs hehmeras’.

Note several times ‘heohs’ meaning ‘as far as’x3; ‘to’x16; ’till’x12; ‘up to’x1; ‘while’x6 = “_for_ the third day”, or, meaning “until the third day is over”.

 

This connotation is strengthened by the Jews’ anxiousness to have the grave sealed while there is still time— Sabbath or no Sabbath, it’s today that ‘third day’ he spoke of! For “we remember that deceiver said, I will rise the third day (“After three days” = “the third day”). Command THEREFORE”— without delay that the grave can be secured in time! “Command because …” it is still the ‘third day’! “Or his disciples may come in the night …” after this the third day He spoke of, and find a grave conveniently open, and “… steal his body and say he rose from the dead!” Therefore please, let us get the grave secured! “Or the last error will be worse than the first.”

“So immediately [that very ‘third day’] GOING, they made fast the grave.”

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Did Jesus know when He was to die? Did Jesus recognize that He was to be the Passover Lamb, sacrificed on the 14th day of the first month at twilight?

Well, He is the one that gave the instructions to Moses about Passover that are recorded in Ex.12, so I imagine that the answer to both of the above questions is YES (sic).

For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt. 12:40.

So when Jesus said this He KNEW that He would be dead by the time the Passover meal was to have been eaten. So the meal that He and the disciples ate on the day before His death WAS NOT THE PASSOVER. Just this fact makes it impossible for Jesus to be resurrected on Sunday morning at sunrise, because whenever this meal was eaten it was certainly before the beginning of the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Couple this with 3 days and 3 nights and if you still insist that Jesus was crucified on Friday

Jesus was in the heart of the earth 3 nights and 3 days according to His own words

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Yes! Jesus’ words were NOT: “in the grave”, OR, “in the earth”; but, “in the HEART of the earth” i.e., “HELL” and ALIVE “_AS_

the prophet Jonas”, in “hell”, in “Jonas the prophet”!

If you wanna be precise – and it is good -, BE PRECISE!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

I really appreciate the simplicity of your analysis. It gives me a much clearer picture of what you have proposed. This looks to me like you have helped me prove my point: that Jesus was resurrected on ‘day 3’ in mid-afternoon (about 3 PM), which is as I previously stated. Then ‘on the first day of the week’ ‘while it was still dark’, right after sunset Jesus was met by Mary in front of the open tomb

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

You get ahead of sequence and events!

You must keep “event and sequence” – your own principle – together!

In John 20:1 Mary – for the first time, “sees the STONE away from the grave” NOTHING ELSE, because immediately “she RUNS …” back to the disciples!

Then Peter and John go to see for themselves, and they “RETURN” none the wiser.

In the meantime Mary MUST HAVE informed the other women because they, “deepest of morning of night” just after midnight, “CARRYING THEIR SPICES”, arrive at the tomb. “They see” what Mary MUST HAVE told them, that the STONE was moved away from the tomb; but they knew not yet that the body was gone, otherwise they would not have brought their spices with to salve the body. So, “They enter, and FIND: NOT, the body”— discovery number two that night: THE GRAVE IS EMPTY!

Still it’s nowhere near the time Jesus “appeared to Mary Magdalene first”!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

GE, Is it your understanding that Jesus was the ‘wave-sheaf offering’ of Lev. 23?

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Dennis, please READ my answers on your article?

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: “When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest,  you hall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.”  Lev. 23: 10-11.

The Wave Sheaf Offering, according to the Law of Moses, took place during the Feast of Unleavened Bread always on the day after a seventh-day Sabbath.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Who, exactly, wrote that, “after a seventh-day Sabbath“? Not Moses!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (the day following the night of Passover) was also a Sabbath, a high feast day. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Yes. But let us get it right, The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread – starting the EVENING following the DAY of passover’s “first, first day” … “when they killed the passover”, “was … a Sabbath, a high feast day.” Yes!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Thus TWO Sabbaths.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Thus three ‘sabbaths’; the first and the seventh days they ate unleavened bread, plus the weekly Sabbath anywhere in between them.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

This offering celebrated the harvest by a priest waving a sheaf of barley before the Lord in the Temple. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

“This offering …”? What do you mean? that it was a sacrifice?

 

Dennis Neufeld:

A responsible man would lead a group of people to a specially prepared shock of barley growing just outside the city wall. Just after the sun had set the man would ask the crowd if the Sabbath was over, and then ask them (holding up a sickle) if he should harvest the grain. They would shout ‘yes’ and he would cut the barley shock. This harvesting of the barley was never done on a Sabbath as that would be construed as work. It was done right after Sabbath on the First day of the week. They would then take the barley shock back to the Temple where it would be waved before the Lord.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:
HERE IT IS! That legalism I predicted … “This harvesting of the barley was never done on a Sabbath as that would be construed as work.”

 

Again, who wrote this law? Not Moses!

But Moses wrote other laws specifically for the Sabbath of the LORD GOD, mind you. Laws with which God – through Moses – gave command for WORK to be done on the Sabbath. WORK, as cutting one sheaf of barley, is WORK. Actually, much less work than separating a big animal plus smaller animals and to bring them to the altar and to cut the thing’s throat over a small brass grating; to skin it and cut out a selected part of flesh and have a fire ready to roast it upon, catch up some of its blood, etcetera what a job! … ON THE SABBATH. But o no, you cannot cut a few barley stalks, bring it into the fore-court and wave it in front of the

veil …?! Weird!

 

NEVER TRUST A JEW FOR YOUR FAITH! Not a non-believing Jew … and these days a Christian Jew even less. Their commandments and traditions with regard to the First Sheaf Offering are “of men”.

 

When God tells man to rest on the Sabbath, that is man’s work for the Sabbath! God does not rest in his place; man ought to DO it himself. To rest the Sabbath Day is man’s duty. No wonder Luke used the Ingressive Aorist in 23:56b, the women “BEGAN, TO, …” DO, something— “to rest”, ACT-UALLY.

 

No commandment of God rests on man’s fulfilment of it requiring what amount of effort or no. If God says “BRING IN the sheaf”, He means, “Go cut it, bind it, and bring it into the Sanctuary and wave it before the most holy place where God’s Shekinah hovers!” Away with the Jews’ legalistic restrictions which after all just make of Christ’s lightly yoked follower, a heavy laden, and pulling before, slave. Ever seen a follower whipped? No; those bare backed bent over forward sweating bodies, they get the Law’s cat-o’-nine-tails! “That Great Shepherd” leads his sheep; and when He wants any before Him, He carries it.

 

Another sophism of the pharisaic Jews is that they demand the sheaf – in fact a whole shock – must be reaped at night! While Jesus’ law was that “night comes when NO ONE WORKS!” and Moses’ Law was that no sacrifice or offering ever should be made in the night, but at its “APPOINTED TIMES”— in the day!

 

Jesus would do the NIGHT-SHIFT for us. You may bet your LIFE on it! He went out to engage the enemy in hell in the kingdom of darkness, AND WON “THE KINGDOM OF MY FATHER”, BACK! “THAT NIGHT”! HE, WORKED the salvation of man “in THAT NIGHT that must be SOLEMNLY observed.” “In the sweat of Thy Face shalt Thou eat Thy Bread, TILL THOU RETURN UNTO THE GROUND!” It speaks of Jesus.

 

So I spurn with contempt the Jews’ haughty attitude towards the Law of Moses concerning the harvesting and offering of the Wave-Sheaf.

 

The cutting as such of the First Sheaf typified Jesus Christ, that his LIFE – as Isaiah said – would be “CUT OFF”. Yes, but it takes the SAME “POWER I TAKE MY LIFE UP AGAIN” with, “TO LAY MY LIFE DOWN” with! That is why BOTH reaping or cutting or “bringing”, and offering or presenting by waving or lifting high or exalting the First Sheaf, were ON THE SAME DAY IN ITS LIGHT— the same day of God’s POWER— “THE POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION”— the same POWER in which “God the Seventh Day RESTED”— the POWER which God “appointed” and “collated” in Christ’s “TIMES” that He should rise from the dead “ON THE THIRD DAY”— “ON THE SABBATH DAY”— “according to the Scriptures”!

 

But the Jews hated the Messiah so much that they with the power and deception of their traditions made sure the First Sheaf would never be exalted on the Sabbath of the LORD GOD.

 

Some uninformed sections of Christianity got beguiled by the Jews; but NOT all. Most informed Christians know that this always on the First Day First Sheaf comes from Christian heretics who claim that the Pharisees believed it. But the Pharisees did NOT believe or teach it, but alleged that the Sadducees did. But no one has ever seen that the Sadducees did. That is the shaky TRADITION the always on the First Day First Sheaf myth, rests on. Some Christians think it is the cornerstone of truth like they believe the LIE that Jesus rose from the dead on the First Day of the week, is the cornerstone of all Christian truth and virtue.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Jesus said to her,  “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and you Father, and to My God and your God.” John 20: 17

Mary Magdalene, finally realizing with who she was speaking , was clinging to Jesus for dear life.  Jesus told her not to hold on tightly to Him for He had yet to go to His Father.  This dovetails beautifully with the Wave Sheaf Offering.  Christ is called the Firstfruits of those who sleep. (I Cor. 15:20).  He was the Firstfruits of those who will eventually be resurrected from the grave as He was.  The reason that He did not want Mary to cling to Him was that He was the real ‘Wave Sheaf Offering’ and had not yet appeared, ‘Waved’, before the Father in Heaven. This would mean that Jesus would have to have been raised from the grave before the Sabbath was over in order follow the pattern of the Wave Sheaf offering.  At the exact time that the priest ‘waved’ the barley sheaf in front of the Alter in the temple Jesus appeared before His father Later on that same day Jesus appeared to the disciples in the upper room and said that they could touch Him and see that He was real.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Above, Dennis Neufeld wrote,

This harvesting of the barley was never done on a Sabbath as that would be construed as work. It was done right after Sabbath on the First day of the week. They would then take the barley shock back to the Temple where it would be waved before the Lord.”

 

Now he says,

He was the Firstfruits of those who will eventually be resurrected from the grave as He was.

 

Does “resurrected … as He was” include the same day “as He was resurrected”? Just like in comparing “as Jonas was”, it included “as Jonas was three days and three nights”? When you say “as”, does it mean ‘not exactly as’, or, ‘as, but’, or, ‘as, excluding …’?

 

However … it simply is not so that the Scriptures say, first sheaf ought to be “done right after Sabbath on the First day of the week“. What ‘sabbath’ is being spoken of in Leviticus 23:11,15,16?

 

It is NOT “The Sabbath” read of in verse 3,

“Six days shall work be done, but the Seventh Day The Sabbath Day— Day-of-rest is an holy convocation-day; ye shall do no work in it because it is The Sabbath Day of the LORD in every household.”

 

The emphasis in verse 3 is on

“The Sabbath Day of the __LORD,__ in the first place;

… on “The Sabbath Day of the LORD in __EVERY HOUSEHOLD,__ in the second place;

… on “The __ SEVENTH DAY,__ Sabbath”, in the third place …

… like in verse 38 “The Sabbath of the LORD The Seventh Day in every household” is The Sabbath “BESIDE”, “the _feasts_ of the LORD”.

 

Because UNLIKE “The Sabbath The Seventh Day of the LORD in every household”, the “feast-sabbaths” are “proclaimed”, not by the LORD, but on command of the LORD by men, that “THESE” sabbaths— “the Feasts of the LORD-sabbaths … YE, shall PROCLAIM, holy convocations” … “IN THEIR SEASONS”— verse 3!

 

“YOU must proclaim”, man, the Israelites

“you MUST proclaim”, LAW; God COMMANDS

“you must PRO-CLAIM”, calculate and legislate

“in / to / according to”

“their / its”, intrinsic own nature

“seasons”, natural recurrence; differing incidence

… in other words, according to VARYING laws of nature calculated ‘sabbaths’— in CONTRAST with GOD’S, immutable incalculable inexplicable INDEPENDENT, Biblical and Divine, odd and incomparable and UN-DERIVABLE, “SEVENTH, Day (of the week) Sabbath Day.

 

The context in which reference is being made to “the sabbath after you have waved the sheaf”, DEMANDS it speaks of NOT “the Seventh Day Sabbath _OF THE LORD_”, but, of that ‘sabbath’ that DEPENDED on the “proclamation”, by man, “according to its annual seasons” RELATIVE to the MOVEMENTS of created, by nature fleeting, and TEMPORARY because of its eschatological typology, circumstance and environment— earth, sun and moon and Israel … and, SIN. The “feast-sabbath” was meant for an ATONEMENT OF SIN. Never forget! Sin would be ABOLISHED in Christ, and therefore it was a “feast-sabbath” that would be abolished “once and for all”, in Christ.

 

It therefore is for certain that the “feast-sabbath” of passover is referred to in Leviticus 23:11,15,16, as that ‘feast-sabbath’ abolished by the EXALTATION of Christ – like WAVING the sheaf before the LORD – THROUGH RESURRECTION “FROM THE DEAD”— showing its temporariness “beside” several OTHER typical ‘sabbaths’. The CONTEXT in Leviticus 23 excludes a FIXATION of the “feast-sabbath” of the passover on the ESTABLISHED “SEVENTH Day Sabbath OF, the immovable and unchangeable “LORD GOD”.

 

That the ‘sabbath’ of the passover FLOATED through the Sabbath- or Seventh Day-week, had pro-leptic, pro-spective, pro-phetic, eschatological, typical, figurative, INTENDED, divine meaning IN ITSELF, like everything else of the passover. The IRREGULAR incurrence on the different days of the week ‘pointed to” the coming of the Messiah “IN THE FULLNESS OF

TIME” and all things will be made new to last forever.

 

In the concurrence, confluence, coalition, colluding, merging and culminating climax of all divine times and ages and epochs, and prophecies and promises, and types and figures, and sacrifices and offerings “in the twinkling of an eye” IN THE RESURRECTION of Christ Jesus from the dead “ON THE SABBATH DAY”, all “these things” are become one-in-time, in the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD.

 

“If Jesus … in these last days … had given them rest, God … speaking unto us … through the Son … TODAY if you hear his Voice, harden not your heart … He – AFTER THESE THINGS [which He did through Jesus] – would not speak of another day (of salvation opportunity) … EXACTLY THEREFORE [‘ara’], a keeping of the Sabbath Day REMAINS VALID [‘apo-leipetai’] for the [New Testament] People-of-God.”

 

Point made:

… the ‘sabbath’ in Leviticus 23:11,15,16 was the moving ceremonial once a year ‘sabbath’ of the passover and not the every Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

GE: HERE IT IS! That legalism I predicted …”This harvesting of the barley was never done on a Sabbath as that would be construed as work.” 
Now YOU didn’t read correctly. I said it was AFTER the Sabbath that the barley for the Wave Sheaf was cut, not ON the Sabbath; therefore no work was done on the Sabbath.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:
Exactly! This is the legalism of it. The very assumption “This harvesting of the barley was never done on a Sabbath” for ‘proving’ the First Sheaf was not offered on the Sabbath because

that would be construed as work“, is, the legalism!

God gave the People WORK to do specifically for and on ‘sabbaths’— any and all, ‘sabbaths’. It was the Jews who changed God’s Word into “no work”, into disallowing anything “that would be construed as work“. Not God or Moses did that! The first sheaf HAD to be reaped “on the day after”, the passover “sabbath”, whether that day might fall on the weekly Sabbath or not; and to reap just one sheaf is ‘construed as work’ by God as by Moses as by the Israelites. Only thing is, it was not only ‘construed as work’; it was COMMANDED AS WORK— by DIVINE command!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Jesus rested in the tomb on the Sabbath, and was resurrected before dark on the seventh-day Sabbath that occurred during the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Yes; that was Christ’s WORK, and the Father’s WORK and the Holy Spirit’s WORK : “BY THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF HIS POWER”, scheduled for, and done on, God’s own Seventh earthly Day Sabbath.

 

That – Christ’s Resurrection “ON” it – was the creation of the New Testament Sabbath _Day_ and what has upheld it ever since as “The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD”, “the Lord’s Day”— the Sabbath _Day_ our Lord Jesus “is Lord of”— the ONLY Royal _Day_ of His Majesty and of the Kingdom of God.

 

Dennis Neufeld:
An OFFERING is not a SACRIFICE. In the case of Jesus He had already been made the Passover SACRIFICE (not the Atonement).

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Christ’s passover sacrifice, “in that God raised Christ from the dead”, had been the Atonement that God had made for man

through Him, “once for all”, final, forever, and, PERFECT!

 

In Christ’s Resurrection his passover sacrifice became the only forever forgiveness of sin.

 

The passover Scriptures both Old and New Testament, repeatedly and in different ways, emphatically declare Jesus’ sacrifice AND Resurrection the “once for all”, “Atonement made for sin”.

 

Jesus “Our Passover” “made sacrifice of HIMSELF” and “offered before the LORD” his LIFE IN ONE for the atonement and forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God forevermore, IN ONE AS ONE. To suggest Christ could sacrifice or offer his blood or life without having had made perfect, final, full forgiveness, atonement and reconciliation IN ONE AS ONE AT ONCE, is unthinkable for a right-minded Christian.

 

But the Seventh-day Adventists taunt God in his face, declaring, Jesus “had been made the Passover SACRIFICE (not the Atonement).” It is NOT absurd; it is blasphemous, belying God and Christ’s ONLY FOREVER sacrifice and offer made for sin and for the FORGIVENESS and ATONEMENT and OBLITERATION of sin.

 

Yes though, “an OFFERING is not a SACRIFICE”!

The ‘offering’ is the presentation “before the LORD”, of the ‘sacrifice’ in its virtues, worth and power.

Christ the First Sheaf ‘offered’, or ‘presented’ his RESURRECTED, VICTORIOUS, LIFE “before the LORD” God the Father, “ONCE FOR ALL”, “a SIN offering”, and “an ATONEMENT for sin”. Jesus’, was the ONLY EVER sin offering or sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin and reconciliation of and with God, PAST, PRESENT, OR, FUTURE! God will NOT make another atonement in the future; He is NOT busy making atonement now … blasphemous any such notion!

Earthly offerings presented the sinners “life, in his blood” and in his death. They are therefore become redundant, worthless, without virtue, and powerless in effect unto life, but work death.

That is the difference in themselves and in effect between the sacrifice and offering of Christ IN HIS LIFE, and mortal sacrifices and their offering IN THEIR BLOOD. (Poor Roman Catholics!)

 

Christ the First Sheaf of the harvest’s blood is in his LIFE— his LIFE that also represents the sinner’s life and blood, by which Christ wrought man’s salvation, atonement and redemption by grace through faith— “before the LORD”.

 

NOTHING WHATSOEVER and NO ONE WHOSOEVER REMAIN to be saved or atoned or reconciled. NOTHING WHATSOEVER REMAINS to provide for salvation or atonement or reconciliation— or, for redemption for that matter. “CHRIST IS THE _END_ OF THE LAW!”

SALVATION, ATONEMENT AND REDEMPTION are, or rather, is, as one, by grace through faith in both the Sacrifice and Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

But some people make Christ’s offering of his LIFE, a sacrifice of blood to be made in future for an atonement for sin. What monstrosity!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The REPRESENTATION of the Wave Sheaf OFFERING is given in thankfulness for God’s bounty in the FIRST of the two harvests that would take place; barley first, then the wheat. The shock of barley presented to the Lord by the Priest in the Temple represents the FIRST FRUITS of the FIRST harvest. It does not mean that all of the barley is ripe. It will ripen in time. That is why Jesus was the Wave Sheaf Offering before God as seen in Rev.5. There Jesus appeared as a Lamb that had been SACRIFICED. Jesus went to His Father as the First of the FIRST FRUIT offering and the barley shock represented the entire barley harvest.

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

The representing or representative presentation or offering of the Wave Sheaf, is made – by Christ – rising from death by Resurrection from the dead, conquering the grave, the pit, the realm of satan’s rule, the kingdom of darkness, ERECTING THE KINGDOM OF GOD THEREIN, GIVING GLORY TO GOD, PUTTING HIM ON THE THRONE CROWNING HIM WITH MAJESTY: A LAMB as if slaughtered __STANDING__!

 

Let the Congregation in thankfulness for God’s Bounty which He brought out from hell, give thanks!

 

Lift up this Song to the LORD, for He hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath He thrown into the sea. The LORD is my Strength and Song, and He is become my Salvation. He, my Mighty God, and I – says Christ – will prepare Him an habitation; my Father’s God and I will exalt Him – says my God. The LORD is a Man of war: The LORD is his Name. … Thy Right Hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power; Thy Right Hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy. In the Greatness of Thine Excellency Thou hast OVERTHROWN them that rose up against Thee: Thou sentest forth thy Wrath, consumed them as stubble. … Who is like unto Thee, O LORD, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, DOING WONDERS – forgive sins. Thou stretchedst out THY Right Hand, the earth swallowed (Him). Thou in thy mercy hast LED FORTH the (Man) Thou hast redeemed; thou hast GUIDED (Him) in Thy Strength unto thy habitation. … By the Greatness of Thine Arm (He) shall be still as a stone; till Thy People pass over, O Lord, till thy People Thou hast PURCHASED pass over. Thou Shalt bring (Him) in, and plant (Him) in the mountain of thine Inheritance, in The Place, O LORD, Thou hast made for Thee to dwell in, THY SANCTUARY, O LORD, THY SANCTUARY Thou hast established. THE LORD SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER! Sing ye to The LORD for He hath triumphed gloriously!

That is how the First Sheaf is the Lord, “our High Priest”, offered in the Temple in glorious triumph on the mountain, “STANDING”.

 

That is how the First Sheaf is the Lord, and represents the FIRST FRUITS of the harvest— the fruit of his labour.

 

That is how the First Sheaf shows the barley is ripe— ready for harvest. But the labourers are few, and the days for harvest count but fifty. On the day after sabbath [“-of-Feast” – ‘hehortehs sabbatohn’] COUNT seven seven days” for harvest. “On fifty days, WAVE THE BREAD – two loaves – of the first fruits’ shock.”

 

Dennis Neufeld:

… in the FIRST of the two harvests that would take place; barley first, then the wheat. The shock of barley presented to the Lord by the Priest in the Temple represents the FIRST FRUITS of the FIRST harvest.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

The Scriptures know of but one harvest, fifty days long – no, seven sevens of days long –, because on the fiftieth day the two loaves already had to be offered : presented : waved: “before the face of the LORD. … They shall be holy to the LORD for the Priest” of their ministration / presentation / offering. Colossians 2:19.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

It does not mean that all of the barley is ripe. It will ripen in time. That is why Jesus was the Wave Sheaf Offering before God as seen in Rev.5. There Jesus appeared as a Lamb that had been SACRIFICED. Jesus went to His Father as the First of the FIRST FRUIT offering and the barley shock represented the entire barley harvest.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Yea, “There Jesus appeared as a Lamb that had been sacrificed STANDING”— “standing …” RESURRECTED from the dead.” … “FROM the dead” …”STANDING”!

 

THEREIN BEING BY THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD EXALTED, THAT SAME JESUS WHOM YE HAVE CRUCIFIED … THIS JESUS GOD HATH RAISED UP AND HATH MADE BOTH LORD AND CHRIST!” Acts 2:32-36.

Raised … being set on the right hand of God … being exalted … indistinguishable in sequence or level or glory. Raised … being set on the right hand of God … being exalted … indistinguishable in sequence or level or glory: “FROM THE DEAD”!

“Being rested up again his Name is Holies of Holies!” Isaiah 57:15. “Son of Man The Place of My Throne, and The Place of my feet WHERE I will DWELL in their MIDST: MY HOLY NAME.” Ezekiel 43:7. “What the breadth and length, and depth and height to know the love of Christ!” Ephesians 3:18. Three dimensional and essential to form and Content, “SALVATION IS OF THE LORD”— “THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS”!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

I do not understand your unfounded hatred for the Laws of the Feasts and of the Laws of Moses (unless I am reading you incorrectly). The Feast simple represented the actual methods by which God would eradicate sin from the world, and the Wave Sheaf Offering was but one of these.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

The Gospel of Jesus Christ knows no different ‘agendas’, ‘stages’, ‘compartments’, or ‘methods’. In Christ in his Death and Resurrection they dissolve and disappear; all happen “in the twinkling of an eye”— “the twinkling of an eye” of The Resurrection of The Incorruptible, “The blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords, who ONLY hath immortality, dwelling in The Light that no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting: End!” He is become Mediator and Intercessor on behalf of his Elect The people of God. To expect more from Him than what He has become and forever is for us, is worse than to deny Him altogether. Jesus Christ and his atonement are un-improvable and un-finishable. The Feast and the whole passover showed the actual “WAY” by whom God would eradicat sin, and the Wave Sheaf Offering was one, but the core and heart of whole the Passover of Yahweh. No good He died but rose not; all good He died and rose again.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Just as was the barley Jesus was ‘cut off’, and as the Priest waved the barley before the Lord so too did Jesus …

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

As Our High Priest waved the First Sheaf before the LORD, so appeared Jesus before His Father—

“appeared” “WHEN and AS God raised Christ from the dead and set Him at his own right hand—

“appeared” according to the Power of God who hath saved us—

“appeared” by the exceeding greatness of his power … which God wrought in Christ—

“appeared” according to his own Purpose and Grace given us in Christ Jesus before the world began but IS NOW MANIFEST BY THE APPEARING [from the dead, from death and from the grave] of our Saviour Jesus Christ who hath ABOLISHED DEATH [having “appeared” from it] and hath brought life and immortality to light [having “appeared” in the darkness among the mortal] through the Gospel”, the Good News of his Resurrection and “APPEARING”, ‘PAROUSIA’, from the dead— Christ’s ‘AWAKENING’ indeed “OUT FROM the dead” –’ek nekrohn’ THERE and THEN IN the “most holy” sepulchre of the “Sanctuary” of God’s PRESENCE, “in Christ” The Risen!

Where Resurrection and Scriptures centre and focus and concentrate and culminate the Essence and The Presence of God, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit in fullest and most intimate DIVINE Fellowship, Dennis Neufeld and Seventh-day Adventism created a gulping black hole— a great void of separation and absence.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Jesus did appear before His Father shortly after His conversation with Mary and ‘waved’ Himself and confirmed that He had completed the assignment for which God had sent Him to earth; to testify to the truth (Mat. 18:37) and to purchase a Kingdom (Rev. 5:9-10).

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Jesus ‘waved’ Himself and confirmed that He had completed the assignment for which God had sent Him to earth; to testify to the truth (Mat. 18:37) and to purchase a Kingdom (Rev. 5:9-10).

 

“Wonderful! Counsellor! The Mighty God! The Prince of Peace!” …

… “shortly after His conversation with Mary“?!

No!

“THIS the ZEAL of the LORD of HOSTS [in battle] will perform” …

“THIS shall be with burning and fuel of fire” … “when He by Himself had purged our sins, and

sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.”

“Sit on my right hand while I make thine ENEMIES thy footstool.”

“They desired that He should be SLAIN

“But God raised Him from the dead

“As it is written

“THOU, art

“My Son—

“THIS day have I begotten Thee.

“And as concerning that He RAISED Him up

“From the dead,

“THIS, God said,

“I will give You the sure mercies of

“David, and put You on the THRONE of

“David, over

“THIS, HIS KINGDOM

“And the GOVERNMENT shall be upon

“HIS shoulder—

“Wonderful!

“Counsellor!

“The Mighty God!

“The Prince of Peace!

“THIS, the Christ

“FOR …

“Unto us, a

“Child is given,

“Unto us, a

“A Son is given

“The Son of God—

“BORN

“FROM THE DEAD

“CHRIST

“GLORIFIED:

“Today have I begotten Thee!

“Though He be SON,

“Yet learned He by the things He

“SUFFERED being

“Made perfect He

“BECAME the Author of eternal salvation.

“THIS, shall be the

“Labour of a Son of Man.

“For the BATTLE of The Warrior

“A child is born

“The Son of Man.

“And they brought the King

“From the House of the LORD:

“And they came through the High Gate

“Into the King’s house and

“SET the King upon the Throne of the Kingdom

“And all the People of the land

“Rejoiced

“And the city was quiet

“AFTER THEY HAD SLAIN ATHALIAH!”

 

“THIS”, “the Son of the KING”, “with garment rolled in blood”, “raised”, and “exalted” “far above” “the last ENEMY, DEATH”, is “THIS JESUS whom with wicked hands you have crucified”, “First Sheaf”, “WAVED”— “WAVED BEFORE THE LORD”; is JESUS, “BORN”— “THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD”!

… “shortly after His conversation with Mary“?!

No! “THIS”, the ZEAL of the LORD of hosts performed in BATTLE!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Jesus said to her,  “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.” John 20: 17

Mary Magdalene, finally realizing with who she was speaking , was clinging to Jesus for dear life.  Jesus told her not to hold on tightly to Him for He had yet to go to His Father.  This dovetails beautifully with the Wave Sheaf Offering.  Christ is called the Firstfruits of those who sleep. (I Cor. 15:20).  He was the Firstfruits of those who will eventually be resurrected from the grave as He was.  The reason that He did not want Mary to cling to Him was that He was the real ‘Wave Sheaf Offering’ and had not yet appeared, ‘Waved’, before the Father in Heaven. This would mean that Jesus would have to have been raised from the grave before the Sabbath was over in order follow the pattern of the Wave Sheaf offering.  At the exact time that the priest ‘waved’ the barley sheaf in front of the Alter in the temple Jesus appeared before His father Later on that same day Jesus appeared to the disciples in the upper room and said that they could touch Him and see that He was real.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Look at the whole of the dramatic scene.

John 20:

1 On the First Day of the week being early darkness still comes Mary Magdalene towards the tomb and sees the stone taken away from the sepulchre;

2 then she runs and comes to the disciples Simon Peter and John.

3 Peter went forth and (John)

4 So they ran the two of them

5 (John) outran Peter and came first to the sepulchre.

6 Then Peter came next but went into the sepulchre

8 Then went in also (John)

10 Then the [two] disciples returned home.

END OF PERICOPE.

 

NEW PERICOPE:

11 Now Mary had had stood after outside the sepulchre … AS therefore she was weeping she stooped towards the tomb and sees two angels.

This change from one scene into the next SUPPOSES ANOTHER VISIT of the women BEFORE this setting where Mary had remained standing behind, while the other women must have had LEFT.

Mary did not follow the two disciples Peter and John to the grave; and she did not after they had left, remained standing at the tomb. 1) The two disciples’ visit was UNACCOMPANIED. They alone came to the tomb and they alone left from the tomb.

2) The TIME that Peter and John came to the tomb, was just after Mary had seen the stone moved away, which was, while “being

early darkness still” shortly after SUNSET, ‘Saturday night’;

The time that Jesus appeared to Mary, was when one would expect “the gardener” to start his work, which was, as Mark explains it, “early on the First Day” … SUNRISE!

3) Therefore the Pluperfect ‘heistehkei’ which John used where he wrote that “Mary Magdalene HAD HAD STOOD AFTER”, implies ANOTHER visit by WOMEN, AT the tomb, PRIOR to Mary’s having “had had remained standing behind”.

So,

11 Now Mary had had stood after outside the sepulchre … AS therefore she was weeping she stooped towards the tomb

12 and sees two angels … where lay the body of Jesus.

13 And those (angels) asked Mary, Woman, why do you weep? Says she to them, That they took my Lord, and I don’t know where they put Him.

14 Speaking these words, Mary [stood up straight and] TURNED back (away from the tomb-opening) and sees Jesus standing NOT REALISING it was Jesus!

15 Says Jesus to her, Woman, why do you weep? Whom are you looking for?

Mary thinking that He was the GARDENER, said to Him, Sir, if it was you who carried Him away, please tell me where you have put Him and I shall take Him.

16 Spoke Jesus, Mary!

She Mary [now recognising Jesus] TURNED [her BACK towards Jesus], calling out (in Hebrew) O Teacher my Master!

17 Said Jesus to her,

Don’t STAY STANDING here with Me! [meh mou haptou],

because I have NOT YET gone away to My Father.

So, Go! Go immediately to my brothers and tell them!

Tell them [now that I AM RISEN] I shall [soon] ascend to My Father now YOUR Father too, and to My God now YOUR God as well!

There is NO difficulty whatsoever with understanding Jesus’ order to Mary – unfortunately rendered, “Don’t touch Me” – for meaning literally, “Don’t STAY STANDING here with Me … but GO …” Don’t waste time “… and TELL my brothers!”

Jesus HAVING BEEN our High Priest ON EARTH, ‘ascended to heaven’, right IN, and “WHEN, God RAISED Christ from the dead and SEATED Him at his own right hand in heavenly GLORY”

BECAUSE

“God RAISED Christ _FROM_, THE DEAD, _BY_, THE GLORY OF THE FATHER” his immediate PRESENCE— the GLORY ‘IN THE FULL FELLOWSHIP OF THE TRINITY’. [Klaas Schilder]

“His Son Jesus Christ our Lord DECLARED: The Son of God! With Power! DECLARED: The Son of God ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT OF HOLINESS! DECLARED: The Son of God THROUGH RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD!

Three times “DECLARED: The Son of God” The Most Holy!

“Being rested-up-again His Name is DECLARED: The Most Holy Place, Holies of Holies!” Isaiah 57:15.

 

In Christ’s Resurrection-encounter with the Father and by the Father, his LIFE as “First Sheaf Offering BEFORE THE LORD” HOVERED: God’s Shekinah above the heavenly mercy seat: The Most Holy Place “where they laid Him” in the Ark of the Testimony of Joseph’s tomb hewn out of rock. Genesis 50 …

“… as in the tabernacle pattern established by God.”

 

I am not ashamed to be dogmatic about it. It is my ‘belief’— my FAITH, that the Father raised up Jesus; no angel called Him forth from the grave! No creature! No being sinful or sinless mortal!

 

As in the tabernacle pattern, much more in the TRUE Sanctuary of God, would “his Holy One” AWAKENING FROM THE DEAD in the Ark of Joseph’s tomb, be “TOUCHED” were it by so much as the voice or ear or eye of a human or angel. But “… seeing this before of the RESURRECTION of Christ, that therefore his soul was not left in hell neither his flesh did see corruption, THIS JESUS _GOD_, RAISED UP, BEING BY THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD [EXALTED]”.

 

Christ in The Great Day of Atonement had been our Sacrifice and High Priest in The Tabernacle of his body “once for all” and ever.

Having entered the holy of holies of the heavenly tabernacle of RESURRECTION-LIFE “in the flesh” and Ark of the Testimony of the Covenant of Grace in his Blood, He – flesh, body and soul in being raised and glorified – “once for all” and ever, had been, our High Priest KING and LORD.

He “once for all” and ever had been, and had become our Offering-of-LIFE and High Priest when He resurrected: “First Sheaf Offering Waved Before the LORD”.

 

So much of Jesus’ life and existence here was foreshadowed in the tabernacle pattern in the Old Testament. “In Him indeed should all fullness dwell”; He is “the Fullness of the Gospel”, “The Fullness of Him that filleth all in all”, “THE FULLNESS OF GOD”. “In Him dwel(t) the Fullness-of-the-Godhead-BODILY … (through) the OPERATION of GOD, WHO, RAISED Him, FROM, the dead.”

 

I am therefore SURE the KJV got it WRONG, and was ‘affected by theological influences’ to the delight of Seventh-day Adventist dogmatism.

 

In death and grave, Jesus’ flesh saw no corruption; and his bones were not severed. That is the main theme of the BONE-day of Jesus’ Burial, beginning, here: Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50 …

and, ending … here: John 19:42 Luke 23:54-56a.

When Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene, it was long after the re-unification in the Full Fellowship of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit : “WHEN, GOD, RAISED CHRIST, FROM, THE DEAD”, death and the grave : “Late in the Sabbath Day being mid-afternoon towards the First Day of the week.”

I am not ashamed or afraid to be dogmatic about it; let the whole world ridicule! It is from sheer ignorance they jeer and deride.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Jesus did appear before His Father shortly after His conversation with Mary and ‘waved’ Himself and confirmed that He had completed the assignment for which God had sent Him to earth; to testify to the truth (Mat. 18:37) and to purchase a Kingdom (Rev. 5:9-10).

This acknowledgment took place in Heaven, but while it was still dark (earth time) early on the first day of the week; in other words, some short time after the sun had fully set on the Sabbath day.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

If I believed the Christian ‘Sabbath’ was the First Day of the week and not the Seventh Day Sabbath, your statement here, dear Dennis Neufeld, would have encouraged me in that conviction. Because what you have done here, has been to endorse Sunday sacredness and worship. You said nothing to the support of the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD.

 

Jesus appeared before His FATHER:
_AS_ his Father RAISED HIM FROM the dead.

 

Fifteen hours later – three hours of that “SABBATH’S-AFTERNOON” plus twelve hours of the night after, He conversed with Mary John 20:11-17, “first”, “early on the First Day of the week” Mark 16:9.

 

For the second time that Sunday morning, He appeared, this time to the other women, Matthew 28:9,10.

 

Later the afternoon of that Sunday, He appeared from the third

time, this time to two disciples on their way to Emmaus.

 

For the next “forty days … He appeared” – virtually daily – “to his disciples”, “AS THE RISEN” Jesus.

 

Only then, “ascended He into heaven in a cloud”.

 

But “God, by the Spirit of Holiness“, “IN CHRIST” “ON THE SABBATH IN FULLNESS BEING MID-AFTERNOON“, “BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER“, ‘WAVED’ Christ “Himself” “First Sheaf Waved-Before-the-LORD“, “confirm(ing) that He had completed the assignment for which God had sent Him to earth; to testify to the truth (Mat. 18:37) and to purchase a Kingdom (Rev. 5:9-10).

Therefore ‘this acknowledgment‘, took place in “THE, Heavenly” and “Holies-of-Holies” OF CHRIST THE RESURRECTED—

not,

while it was still dark (earth time) early on the first day of the week“,

nor,

some short time after the sun had fully set on the Sabbath day” …

BUT:

ON THE SABBATH IN FULLNESS BEING MID-AFTERNOON” …

…and God the DAY the Seventh Day from ALL his works, RESTED.” Hebrews 4:4.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

If Passover had occurred on Friday then this clearly would have put the wave sheaf offering on a Monday which is an impossibility according to Scripture. Also, if Christ was resurrected on Sunday morning then He would have missed being the ‘Wave Sheaf’ offering because the wave sheaf offering occurred shortly after sundown on the first Sabbaton.

And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath,

from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath(Sabbaton); then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord.  Lev. 23: 15-16.

The Day of Penticost is fifty days from the day of the wave sheaf offering, and was counted by Sabbatons; that is, seven Sabbatons plus one day.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:
Re: “…

the ‘Wave Sheaf’ offering because the wave sheaf offering occurred shortly after sundown on the first Sabbaton.”

 

No Scripture is available to confirm this presumption. Every Scripture contradicts it. “On / In the _morrow_ after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.” morrow’ from ‘mochorath’, “morning”; cf. Exodus 32:6 Joshua 5:12.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The counting toward Penticost started on the ‘first of the Sabbatons’.”

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

If a “Sabbaton” meant “the Seventh Day Sabbath” (of the week), then the day that STARTED the first ‘seven’ days, could not be a “Sabbaton” or you would have 8 so called “Sabbatons” while Leviticus 23:15 limits them to “seven”.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

… The counting toward Penticost started on the ‘first of the Sabbatons’. With Christ being resurrected on the first of  the Sabbatons and being the ‘Wave Sheaf’ offering the counting of days to Penticost comes out correctly.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:
If as you say the fifty days were counted from a First Day of the week ‘after THE Sabbath’ Seventh Day of the week, then the fiftieth day counted is a First Day of the week AGAIN. “First Sheaf-day” is or rather used to be on ANY day “after the sabbath” of ANY particular year’s passover “feast according to its SEASON”.

 

#Since Christ resurrected, “First-Sheaf-Feast-Day” is, and will stay, “The Sabbath’s”.

 

#Because IN CHRIST, “First-Sheaf-Feast-Day” was “the NEXT day AFTER the Jew’s Preparation” and “Fore-Sabbath”, that “THAT day …” before Christ resurrected, “… was great day sabbath” “… of the Jews'”, passover.

 

#”On the Sabbath” to GREEK idiom and NEW Testament Scriptures therefore, “the Sabbath-OF-THE-WEEK”— “SABBATOHN”, “in these last days” and “in the fullness of time” was the first of the fifty “counted to The Fiftieth Day” ‘Shavuoth’- “Pentecost fully”.

 

# … for sooth, on ‘Saturday’ to the embarrassment of the Sundayers.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Once again it seems that the timing of events is critical to the outcome.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Amen!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Only one minor problem is left in proving that the crucifixion of Christ occurred on Wednesday, and that is the question as to the exact day that Passover occurred in the year that Christ was crucified. 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

One

We can find out from the New Testament “sequence and events” without any doubt that Christ rose from the dead “when there was a great earthquake ON THE SABBATH mid-afternoon BEFORE the First Day of the week” Matthew 28:1 and “AFTER the Jews’ preparations” or “the Jews’ Preparation Day” Matthew 27:62.

 

Two

We can – without any help from outside the Scriptures – find out from the New Testament “events and sequence” alone that without any doubt Joseph undertook to bury Jesus’ body on “the Jews’ preparations” or “Preparation Day” Matthew 27:62 “that is the Fore-Sabbath” Mark 15:42 “THAT DAY having been great day sabbath” of the Jews’ passover John 19:31.

We can without any doubt and without any help from outside the Scriptures find out from the New Testament “events and sequence” alone, that Joseph “laid the body of Jesus” and “closed the grave” and that “the women prepared spices … THAT DAY”, from “mid-afternoon towards the Sabbath” Luke 23:54 and “the Jews’ preparations” had begun John 19:42, until “they began to rest the (Fourth) Commandment Sabbath” Luke 23:56b.

 

Three

We can without any doubt and without any help from outside the Scriptures find out from the New Testament “events and sequence” alone, that Jesus had died and that “everybody had forsaken Him” Luke 23:48, BEFORE “it became the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath and it was EVENING already” Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57, on “the Preparation Day of the passover” John 19:14.

 

Four

We can – without any help from outside the Scriptures – find out from the New Testament “events and sequence” alone that without any doubt Jesus “APPEARED” to Mary Magdalene and the other women “on the First Day of the week” and that it was the day that had begun “after the Sabbath” Mark 16:1 and with “it having been early dark still” John 20:1.

 

What more could a believer ask for?!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The time framework God set up ‘In the beginning’ allows sin to run it’s course with a definite end point at some pre-ordained time.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Amen!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Notice that on the fourth day of creation God created His clock; the sun, moon, and stars.

…and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Gen. 1:14.

God started all of His time pieces at the same instant, on the fourth day of creation. We know that God started His calendar at the first new moon on or following the Spring equinox. At creation the Spring equinox and the first new moon occurred simultaneously on the very first Wednesday of the first week of creation. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Who told you that? You did not read it in Genesis! Adam was created an adult. Plants and animals were created capable of regeneration. So why could the moon not have appeared in the sky full moon for the first time? These are no more than speculations – yours, like mine.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Ex. 12: 2.

God notified Moses that the year starts with the first month.

A month starts on a new moon, exactly as in the creation account.

To find out the exact day on which the crucifixion took place we must first know the date for the start of the year in which Christ was crucified.  

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

“This month shall be __YOUR__ beginning of months; it shall be __to YOU__ the first month of the year.” ‘To find out the exact day‘, “you, must, proclaim”, that is, “you must reckon out”, “you must determine” — man; not God must do it.

 

Dennis Neufeld

The year in which Christ was crucified was a Wednesday year as shown by Dan. 9: 27.  The ministry of Christ began in 27 CE, which would then show the Wednesday year to be 30 CE. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Although the years you mention may be correct, it not necessarily shows the year 30 CE to be the “Wednesday year”.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Because the Passover occurred on the 14th day of the first month we can then find the exact day.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

That sounds more plausible; even ‘scientific’ if you please.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

I did this by going to a recognized authority on astronomy, the U.S. Naval Observatory web site. In their Astronomical Applications Department there is a section on Spring Phenomena, 25 BCE to 38 CE, which covers the time frame needed. The data gathered indicates that the Vernal (Spring) equinox in the year 30 CE occurred on March 22, a Wednesday. Further research showed that New Moon in that month, in that year, also occurred on March

22, the same Wednesday.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

That may be so … although I have seen differing tables and analyses — all claiming “Her Majesty’s” or “U.S. Naval Observatory” origin. See book 2 of Book 1, ‘Burial’ http://www.biblestudents.co.za.

WHOM shall we believe?

Then there also are the difficulties of the year of Christ’s birth and the year He began his ministry.

HOW shall we believe anyone?

 

Dennis Neufeld:

Fourteen days (two weeks) following the start of the year is Passover, also on a Wednesday. 

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Wait! Wait! Wait! “Fourteen days (two weeks) following the start of the year is Passover” no objections! But, “… also on a Wednesday”?! No! No! No!

 

Dennis Neufeld:

From creation God new on what day His Son was to be crucified. And as in the Creation week both the Spring Equinox and the New Moon fell on a Wednesday. Can this be coincidence?

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:
Again! Wait! Certainly yes, “From creation God knew on what day His Son was to be crucified.” But that was _God_ who knew — not us! Paul talks about his “knowledge in the MYSTERY of Christ … whereby, when you READ, you may understand.” Even the inspired Paul, when we read him, never lets us or wants us understand THESE ‘mysteries’! Nowhere in any Scripture for that matter, is anything “as it, now revealed”. Ephesians 3:4,5 cf. 1Corinthians 2:9,10.

What we need to know, has been revealed to us in plain written words of Scripture, like in the abundance in NEW Testament Scriptures of the names of the days and the times and the events in their sequence AND, their prophetic origin with regard to the “three days” of Christ’s last passover, the Passover of Yahweh “according to the Scriptures”.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The ‘experts’ tell us that Christ was in the grave for an ‘inclusive’ three days, not literally three days and three nights.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

In this case, you and the ‘experts’ are BOTH wrong, since that Christ was NEITHER “in the grave for an ‘inclusive’ three days”, NOR “in the grave for … literally three days and three nights”.

 

One MUST differentiate between what Jesus really said and what He not really said! He did NOT say EITHER, “in the grave for an ‘inclusive’ three days“, OR “in the grave for … literally three days and three nights“. The fault lies neither with the words, “for an ‘inclusive’ three days”, nor with the words “for literally three days and three nights”; the fault lies with the words and the IDEA, “in the grave …”, “IN THE GRAVE for an ‘inclusive’ three days“; “IN THE GRAVE for literally three days and three nights“. We have spoken about this before, so I won’t repeat.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

If this is so then by the data just presented the resurrection of Christ MUST have taken place on Friday. We know that this is not the case.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

“… the resurrection … on Friday”?

The ridiculous about this is the presupposition rather of a Wednesday Burial!

Dennis Neufeld:

… the only conclusion that can be drawn is that Christ was killed as the Passover lamb on Wednesday at twilight on the 14th day of the first month, and was resurrected on Sabbath at twilight three nights and three days later.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

I disagree with your importation of “Wednesday”. But you are perfectly in the mark with “killed … on the 14th day of the first month, and resurrected on Sabbath … three nights and three days later“— with ‘marking events’, “killed” and “resurrected“— YOUR, conclusion! NOT, _’buried’_ the 14th day of the first month, and resurrected on Sabbath“.

 

If only I could get you to see this, dear Dennis Neufeld, I shall be most grateful to you and to our God and his Christ.

 

Thank you very much, Dennis Neufeld, for having allowed me the opportunity to discus this relevant ‘issue’ to a better understanding of the mystery of Godliness, the Passover of our Lord Jesus Christ Yahweh Elohim, “I-AM THE ALMIGHTY”.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The beauty of the Wednesday crucifixion is that all the texts that describe what went on during the latter part of that week fit so neatly, and without effort. Jesus said that He would be in the grave three nights and three days.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Yes, “Jesus said that He would be in the grave three nights and three days” has been said with far too little “effort“.

 

There are MANY other shortcomings than those I have touched on in the MANY “Wednesday crucifixion” theories that suddenly the last fifty years have appeared. But you are free to read for yourself ‘The Lord’s Day in the Covenant of Grace’ and other articles and discussion on http://www.biblestudents.co.za.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

The timing of the events of the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread fit perfectly; the lamb is slain on the day before the Passover,  the Passover meal is eaten between dark and dawn, the Feast of Unleavened Bread starting after Passover and is followed three days later by the Wave Sheaf Offering, always on the day after a Sabbath.

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

Re: >>”the lamb is slain on the day before the Passover“<<

 

The lamb was slain “on the first day they killed the passover and removed leaven” on, __the passover__ “before the Passover-FEAST” day of Unleavened Bread EATEN, John 13:1. Both 14 and 15 Abib are “passover”, and both, are “feast” of passover. Exodus 12:14. The distinction between Abib 14 as “the first, first (passover-) day ye shall remove leaven [during night] and kill the passover [during day]”, and Abib 15 “the first (passover-) day ye shall eat no leaven”, came later, Exodus 12:15,18 Leviticus 23:5,6 et al.

 

Re: >>”the Passover meal is eaten between dark and dawn“<<

Yes … before midnight, Exodus 12:12,23,29,42.

 

Dennis Neufeld:

>>”the Feast of Unleavened Bread starting after Passover and is followed three days later by the Wave Sheaf Offering“<<

 

Gerhard Ebersöhn:

The Feast of Abib 15 of Unleavened Bread started

after Passover Abib 14 the “day they killed the passover” Mark 14:12 et al,

because “the Feast” John 13:1 of Abib 15

began “when it had become evening” Mark 15:42 of Abib 15,

“and it was that day, great day sabbath” of passover John 19:31.

“The third day” later,

“on the day after the sabbath” of Abib 15

was “the First Sheaf Offering”

“waved before the LORD” and

“the Sanctuary finished being cleansed

“on the sixteenth day of the First Month” 2Chronicles 29:17

… by Christ’s Resurrection from the dead.

All the filth” king Ahaz the wicked one

brought into” the “temple” of the “people’s court

into the
inner part” and heart of sin of men,

“Our Passover”, “according to the commandment of the King”,

“came”, and

cleansed” and

carried out“—

all the uncleanness,

abroad“, and

over the Dark Poluted River of Blood” (‘Kidron’),

and sanctified the House of the LORD and …

in the sixteenth day of the First Month …

MADE AN END of CLEANSING.” 2Chronicles 29:17.

Now mark how thoroughly the cleansing was done, verses 18,19!

Then Hezekiah the king rose early and gathered the rulers and went up to the house of the LORD.”

They prepared and went up

for to WORSHIP … ON THE SABBATH DAY

as on the New Earth every Sabbath Day

it shall come to pass

… but for the sacrifices …

that all flesh shall come to worship

THE FIRST SHEAF” CHRIST,

BEFORE THE LORD,

saith the LORD!

The sacrifices were those for the Sabbath Day.

 

The priests sounded the trumpets as always only on Sabbath Days was done.

 

The Song of the LORD, “of Moses and of the Lamb”, they sang, the “Psalm for the Sabbath” on which the LORD

“planted” Israel on the shores of freedom, and

commanded them to “remember the Sabbath” for it.

And they bowed and worshipped, and sang praises andconsecrated themselves to the LORD.

So the SERVICE of the House of the LORD was set in ORDER.

 

That was SABBATH-keeping by the CHURCH of God on the date the first sheaf was last offered by waving, and on the Sabbath Day that The First Sheaf of all the Redeemed was first waved having been “offered before the LORD” through Resurrection from the dead of Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

In 2Chronicles 29 it was PRECISELY the same date of season’s feast and Sabbath of the week as at the first the passover at the Exodus, and PRECISELY the same date of season’s feast and Sabbath of the week as at the Last Passover of Yahweh in Jesus Christ— the Sabbath three times in the climax of ages confirmed, the Sabbath Day of Jesus’ Resurrection from the dead.

 

But that is not “The beauty” or “the timing”, “of the Wednesday crucifixion“; that is the beauty of the timing of Christ’s Resurrection “according to the Scriptures the third day” “IN SABBATH’S FULLNESS“, that gave impetus to a Fifth Day of the week Abib 14 Crucifixion AND a “Fore-Sabbath” Abib 15 Burial of Jesus Christ Lord of the Lord’s Day Sabbath of the LORD – let us pray – your, God. Amen.

 

 

Dennis Neufeld:

It is evident that there were two Sabbaths – one the Festival Sabbath the other the seventh-day Sabbath, three days apart. The First Fruits (wave sheaf offering) always occurred after Passover on the day following that Sabbath. 

The Passover always occurred on a full moon 15 days following the first day of the month as signified by the new moon. 

Translator bias and/or error is evident in the way Scripture is currently presented. Great care must be taken in separating what is real from what is manipulated to achieve a personal or corporate belief.

Finally, empirical data gleaned from the U.S. Naval Observatory shows that the fourteenth day of the first month in the year 30 CE occurred on a Wednesday, not on Friday.

All of this indicates that Jesus Christ was resurrected on the Sabbath evening before sundown. Was He resurrected on Sunday morning as most Christians believe? Or was He resurrected on the Sabbath as Scripture and outside data seems to indicate? Search your heart and soul, then decide.  

What an incredible vision God has for the Sabbath! On it He rested after Creation and set it aside as a permanent memorial.  He resurrected His Son on the Sabbath as the First fruits of those who sleep, and in the earth-made-new we will all gather together to worship our Creator/King from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another. It would be entirely within God’s character and would not surprise me in the least if Jesus Christ returned to this earth in the clouds of glory on the Sabbath day.

©  2000 Spirit of Truth Ministries

 

End of discussion  25 July 2012

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This study,

Wednesday Crucifixion of Jesus Christ ?

Debate:

Neufeld Dennis / Gerhard Ebersöhn

by

Gerhard Ebersöhn

26 06 12

 

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