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Bone-Day Book One First Test-Checks

8 Aug

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Bone-Day Book One First Test-Checks

Beendag in Markus 14 veronderstel


Heel, héél aan die begin toe ek nog geen maar géén idee gehad het of kón gehad het oor enigiets van enigiets in die rigting van die “Beendag” van die Laaste Lyding van Christus nie, gebeur die begin van dit alles –geheel en al onbewustelik vir my – toe al die tyd met die “Beendag”!

En heel laaste – ná menslik gesproke ’n leeftyd later so halfpad twee en sewentig toe – kom ek dit eers agter!

Wat kom ek toe nóú eers agter?

Dat die “Beendag” met ‘vertaling’, in Markus 14:12,17 Matteus 26:17,20 Lukas 22:7,14 – waar dit oor “die eerste dag … wanneer hulle die pasga geslag het” –, per ongeluk die Kruisigingsdag gemaak was. Wat beteken het dat “die héél eerste dag” wat “julle suurdeeg moet VERWYDER”, “die eertse dag” wat “julle ongesuurde brood moet EET”, geword het.  

Nee; dit weet ek al lankal; moet honderde male wees dat ek al daaroor geskryf het … Dit gaan eintlik, oor die “Beendag”— verstaan? … waaroor die vroegste vertalers geen benul gehad het of kon gehad nie omdat hulle almal die LXX sonder raadpleging van die Hebreeus nagevolg het. Hulle het sondermeer “die eerste dag … wanneer hulle die pasga geslag het”, vertolk as “die eerste dag van ongesuurde brode”.

In die LXX word nie onderskeid – soos in die Hebreeus tussen “die héél eerste dag moet julle suurdeeg VERWYDER” en “die eerste dag [van die volgende “sewe dae” wat] julle niks gesuurd mag eet nie” –, getref nie.

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John 20:1,2 “early of night” or ‘early of morning’?

8 Aug

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GE:  God willing, I want to reproduce here the discussion between  John317 and myself on the translation and interpretation of  John 20:1, extracted from another page and here presented,  ordered to incidental sequence for the purpose of giving an  uninterrupted overview so that EACH MAN can make his  own and decisive conclusion about the matter from a  complete impression of the discourse.   Of grave and immediate consequences is the translation of  John 20:1 with very, very far reaching implications and  consequences.  God be with you as you may read.

Krause:  Most people walk in and out of your life, but FRIENDS leave  footprints in your heart.

Moderator:  The subject is toxic.

GE:  I am God’s dog; I live on the crumbs that fall off his table  loaded with the Bread of Life! Man, and am I having a feast!  The guests at table wipe so much Bread off the table they  scarcely taste a crumb themselves! It’s fine with me to go  sniff for God’s Word on the forum’s trash heap … just fine,  thanks! Ja, I must scavenge among a lot of real toxic stuff  from the regulars’ smartly decorated tables; and sometimes  even dig the Word out from under their vomit over me. The Word’s crumbs though have marvellous healing properties  and never get bad or taste bad. I’m a dog in my seventh  heaven … won’t swop for any other place on earth!  You are all cordially invited to come over for the Feast on  the threads’ trash heap, fellas! Discovered nice bones there buried deep or lying scattered all over! Just the stuff for a Bull Terrier! … and of course, it’s JUST THE PLACE FOR  THOSE WHO LIKE A DOGS’ BRAWL!

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Ten Visits at the Tomb

28 Jul

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1. The Interment

John 19:41

Now in the place where he was crucified

ἦν    δὲ  ἐν  τῷ   τόπῳ   ὅπου   ἐσταυρώθη

Ehn de en tohi topohi hopou estaurohtheh

Gn33:19; 50; 32:22

there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre,

κῆπος,   καὶ ἐν  τῷ   κήπῳ     μνημεῖον    καινὸν,

kehpos, kai en tohi kehpohi mnehmeion kainon


wherein was never man yet laid.

ἐν   ᾧ     οὐδέπω   οὐδεὶς  ἐτέθη·

en hohi oudepoh oudeis ehn tetheimenos.

Mark 15:46d

Joseph laid him in a sepulchre

(Ἰωσὴφ)   κατέθηκεν  αὐτὸν ἐν μνημείῳ    ὃ   ἦν

Iohsehph katethehken auton en mnehmati ho ehn


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John 20v1 “early darkness”

26 Jun

John 20v1 “early darkness” – Read the full article on


God willing I want to reproduce here the discussion between John317 and myself on the translation and interpretation of John 20:1, extracted from another page and here presented, ordered to incidental sequence for the purpose of giving an uninterrupted overview so that EACH MAN can make his own and decisive conclusion about the matter from a complete impression of the discourse.

Of grave and immediate consequences is the translation of John 20:1 with very, very far reaching implications and consequences.

God be with you as you may read.


Most people walk in and out of your life,
but FRIENDS leave footprints in your heart.


The subject is toxic.


I am God’s dog; I live on the crumbs that fall off his table loaded with the Bread of Life!

Man, and am I having a feast! The guests at table wipe so much Bread off the table they scarcely taste a crumb themselves!

It’s fine with me to go sniff for God’s Word on the forum’s trash heap … just fine, thanks!

Ja, I must scavenge among a lot of real toxic stuff from the regulars’ smartly decorated tables; and sometimes even dig the Word out from under their vomit over me.

The Word’s crumbs though have marvellous healing properties and never get bad or taste bad.

I’m a dog in my seventh heaven … won’t swop for any other

place on earth!

You are all cordially invited to come over for the Feast on the threads’ trash heap, fellas! Discovered nice bones there buried deep or lying scattered all over! Just the stuff for a Bull Terrier!







A Bull Terrier is the best and dearest thing the English ever made!

Moderator has proved,


That ‘toxic’ is more ‘Christian’ than to “welcome” a person with “open arms” with “access denied”;


That point has been made; that point has been taken;


That it has become time to thank the Lord and sing praises to his Name, for his Word is alive and well and makes itself heard where it matters most;


That the same awareness is becoming more widespread by the day.

Therefore, thank you, clubadventist for the improvements you have achieved and your preparedness to accommodate persuasion contrary your own. It shows the real, Christian spirit of discourse!

“There is no fear in love.”

Only one thing disturbing about the present ‘categorization’ –

beggars can’t be choosers I suppose – Truth will have to tolerate his next door neighbour, Heresy. I assume the age of ‘theological discrimination’ too, has seen its end among its offspring of ‘integrated theology’ —while I have always been staunch conservative.

Yes; disappointing; if I don’t admit I must lie.

Mark in 16:9 derives from John 20:11-17. And there, it says “Mary HAD HAD STOOD AFTER at the grave …”. So when Jesus appeared to Mary, it was not her first visit at the tomb; she had had before gone to the tomb —much earlier in the morning of the night. So in Luke 24:1,10 we read that Mary and other women had gone to the tomb “in the deepest morning of night carrying their spices prepared and ready … but they FOUND NOT the body”.

Therefore midnight, and Jesus “was risen”, already!

But John 20:1,2 tells, “Mary Magdalene on the First Day of the week BEING EARLY DARKNESS STILL, comes to the sepulchre, sees the stone is rolled away from the tomb; runs back …”

Therefore “EARLY DARKNESS STILL” – “being DUSK yet on the First Day”, that is, just “after the Sabbath” as it says in Mark 16:1 AFTER SUNSET —and Jesus “was risen”, already!

So WHEN did Jesus ‘arise’?

“… WHEN suddenly there was a great earthquake LATE ON THE SABBATH MID-AFTERNOON towards the First Day of the week.”

“… WHEN suddenly there was a great earthquake LATE ON THE SABBATH MID-AFTERNOON towards the First Day of the week … EXPLAINED THE ANGEL to the women …”

Matthew only, says, “Explained” / “Informed” / “Answered” / “Enlightened”, ‘apokritheis’.

Matthew only, tells the circumstances, accompanying events, day and time of day Jesus Christ must have arisen / must have been

raised from the dead.

“… and God the Seventh Day rested.”


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Evening hours begin the morning – Nisan 13/14

17 Jun

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The evening hours … began the morning
The evening that begins the day of Nisan 14 is Nisan 13


Nisan 14 that begins the evening of Nisan 13 is the Lord’s Passover.  It is the day that leaven is removed from the home and the Passover Lamb is killed.  It is the preparation day for the Annual High Sabbath that is the first day of Passover – Nisan 15 that begins the evening of Nisan 14.


BG, praise God! I agree 100%!!

See, written decades ago, and published unaltered a second time about 5 years ago? … here,,%201%20Passover%20to%20Crucifixion.pdf

page 5.


The evening that begins the day of Nisan 14 is Nisan 13.


Yes! The NIGHT- and LAST part that used to be Nisan 13, CHANGED into the first and day-part of what THAT DAY had become Nisan 14. BUT JUST THAT ONCE for the very first passover ever, in Egypt.

See in the sketch “end of 430 years” and of the old dispensation of slavery and bondage that through the passover had become the new era of freedom through the passover – “SUFFERING” – of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONCE for the last passover ever, in Egypt in hell in the Kingdom of the Father.

It is therefore that you will find Nisan 14 ONLY THIS ONCE in the Torah and all the Bible, seen as and named, the passover’s “feast” … 12:14. But already in verse 18, see the FIFTEENTH of the First Month IMPLIED for having become the PERMANENT, “Feast-of-passover”.


It is the night of the Lord’s Passover Meal with the disciples.

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Teoloë is soos Boere

26 May

Teoloë is soos Boere

Daar is teoloë wat soveel boeke as die sandkorrels van die Sahara skryf en dadels oes.

Daar is teoloë met boeke soos die bossies van die Karoo wat boer vir wol.

Daar is Bolandboereteoloë op wingerdplase wat boeke soos goedkoop wyn verbou.

En party wat boeke oprig om uit die lug die wind te pluk.

Noord is nog Boere op plase met mielies vir pitkos langs lokasies wat kom in, wat glo in die Teologie van Hoop.

Maar meeste plase word geboer deur munisipale amptenare vir hul eie, sak.

Teoloë wat veronderstel is om te werk in die boorde van Israel, waar die base Skrifgeleerdes en Fariseërs, boomuithalers en waterdiewe is.

23 05 15

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn

Grandiloquence and “three days and three nights”

26 May

Grandiloquence and “three days and three nights”. – Read the full article on (original forum thread)


Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x” days and “x”nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights?


Sure [Cut]


I don’t see where the link provides the writing requested in the OP. I wonder if you might explain why you think that it does?


Don’t you “True Believers” ever tire of picking the fly specks out of the pepper?


It was Jesus who spoke of the 3 days AND 3 nights

JOHN 11 [9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.[10] But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

And He knew how many hours were in a day


I have changed my view on this over the years. What I now believe is this;

Jesus was crucified on a Thursday, and was placed in the grave

before sunset. This is the first day.

Thursday evening (night) is the first night. To the Jew this was Friday.

There were two Sabbaths this week, this was the first Sabbath.

Friday is the second day.

Friday evening is the second night. To the Jew this is Saturday and the normal Sabbath. This was the second Sabbath this week.

Saturday is the third day.

Saturday evening is the third night. Sunday to the Jew.

Jesus rose from the dead sometime Saturday evening (Sat./Sun.) before sunrise.

This gives you three days and three nights.


It is GREAT you had the honesty and courage to change your views! God bless you for it!

Will you be prepared to change them again and further?

Because your change to a Thursday Crucifixion is or was most noble; but that is not where the Holy Spirit through the testimony of the Scriptures will end with you, if my own experience meant anything, for also with me, the BIG CHANGE started with the Fifth Day of the week Suffering and Death of Christ; but it was only the first development.

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