Tag Archives: Crucifixion

Evening hours begin the morning – Nisan 13/14

17 Jun

Evening hours begin the morning – Nisan 13/14 – Read the full article on BibleStudents.co.za

The evening hours … began the morning
The evening that begins the day of Nisan 14 is Nisan 13

BG:

Nisan 14 that begins the evening of Nisan 13 is the Lord’s Passover.  It is the day that leaven is removed from the home and the Passover Lamb is killed.  It is the preparation day for the Annual High Sabbath that is the first day of Passover – Nisan 15 that begins the evening of Nisan 14.

GE:

BG, praise God! I agree 100%!!

See, written decades ago, and published unaltered a second time about 5 years ago? … here, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Book%201,%201%20Passover%20to%20Crucifixion.pdf

page 5.

BG:

The evening that begins the day of Nisan 14 is Nisan 13.

GE:

Yes! The NIGHT- and LAST part that used to be Nisan 13, CHANGED into the first and day-part of what THAT DAY had become Nisan 14. BUT JUST THAT ONCE for the very first passover ever, in Egypt.

See in the sketch “end of 430 years” and of the old dispensation of slavery and bondage that through the passover had become the new era of freedom through the passover – “SUFFERING” – of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONCE for the last passover ever, in Egypt in hell in the Kingdom of the Father.

It is therefore that you will find Nisan 14 ONLY THIS ONCE in the Torah and all the Bible, seen as and named, the passover’s “feast” … 12:14. But already in verse 18, see the FIFTEENTH of the First Month IMPLIED for having become the PERMANENT, “Feast-of-passover”.

BG:

It is the night of the Lord’s Passover Meal with the disciples.

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Grandiloquence and “three days and three nights”

26 May

Grandiloquence and “three days and three nights”. – Read the full article on BibleStudents.co.za

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=82235 (original forum thread)

Rstrats:

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x” days and “x”nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights?

DarrellC:

Sure [Cut]

Strats:

I don’t see where the link provides the writing requested in the OP. I wonder if you might explain why you think that it does?

Billwald:

Don’t you “True Believers” ever tire of picking the fly specks out of the pepper?

Chowmah:

It was Jesus who spoke of the 3 days AND 3 nights

JOHN 11 [9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.[10] But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

And He knew how many hours were in a day

Winman:

I have changed my view on this over the years. What I now believe is this;

Jesus was crucified on a Thursday, and was placed in the grave

before sunset. This is the first day.

Thursday evening (night) is the first night. To the Jew this was Friday.

There were two Sabbaths this week, this was the first Sabbath.

Friday is the second day.

Friday evening is the second night. To the Jew this is Saturday and the normal Sabbath. This was the second Sabbath this week.

Saturday is the third day.

Saturday evening is the third night. Sunday to the Jew.

Jesus rose from the dead sometime Saturday evening (Sat./Sun.) before sunrise.

This gives you three days and three nights.

GE:

It is GREAT you had the honesty and courage to change your views! God bless you for it!

Will you be prepared to change them again and further?

Because your change to a Thursday Crucifixion is or was most noble; but that is not where the Holy Spirit through the testimony of the Scriptures will end with you, if my own experience meant anything, for also with me, the BIG CHANGE started with the Fifth Day of the week Suffering and Death of Christ; but it was only the first development.

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Seven Posts Between Tree and Stone – Between Darkness and Night and Day

11 May

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… Afrikaans version also available here – BibleStudents.co.za

Seven Posts Between Tree and Stone

Between Darkness and Night and Day

07 05 15

1)  Jesus Dies

 

John 19:28,30

After this, Jesus knowing

Meta touto eidohs ho Iehsous

 

that all things was now accomplished,

hoti ehdeh panta tetelestai

 

that the Scripture might be fulfilled,

hina teleiohthehi heh Grapheh,

 

saith, I thirst.

legei, Dipsoh!

30

When Jesus therefore had taken the Vinegar,

hote oun elaben to oksos

 

he said, It is finished:

Iehsous eipen: Tetelestai!

 

and he bowed his head, and gave up the spirit.

Kai klinas tehn kephalehn paredohken to pneuma.

 

Mark 15:37

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the spirit.

Ho de Iehsous apheis phohnehn megalehn eksepneusen.

 

Luke 23:46

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said,

Kai phohnehsas phohnehi megalehi ho Iehsous eipen:

 

Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit;

Pater, eis cheiras sou paratithemai to pneuma mou!

 

and  having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Touto de eipohn eksepneusen.

 

Matthew 27:46

And about the ninth hour

Peri de tehn enatehn hohran

 

Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,

aneboehsen ho Iehsous phohnehi megalehi legohn:

 

Eli Eli lema sabachthani?

Ehli Ehli lema sabachthani?

 

that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Tout’ estin: Thee mou Thee mou, hinati me enkatelipes?

50

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the spirit.

Ho de Iehsous palin kraksas phohnehi megalehi aphehken to pneuma.

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Discovery of New Lies and the Shame of Seventh-day Adventism

1 Jun

Discovery of New Lies and the Shame of Seventh-day Adventism
– Read the full discussion on BibleStudents.co.za

or see the original here – http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/698630.html#Post698630

Gerhard:

What about Mark 15:42?
Compare the KJV with the NIV
and see if you can SEE the ‘New Lie’?

Gregory:

A statement may be false. It may be false due to ignorance. But. a false statement is never a lie unless there is an intention to deceive.
It appears to me that you are attempting to charge a translation of the Bible with an intention to deceive. This is inappropriate in this forum.

… OR WAS IT? (Gerhard)

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Did Jesus Rise from the Grave in Matthew 28:2-4?

23 May

Did Jesus Rise from the Grave in Matthew 28:2-4?

Matthew 28:1-4 What Happened?

Did Jesus rise from the dead when the angel opened the grave?

Have Christians believed so?

Have any Christians believed Jesus rose from the dead not then?

Other Scriptures mentioning time and place of Jesus’ resurrection?

Other sources than the Gospels?

OT Prophecies indicating place and time of Resurrection?

Has Matthew 28:1-4 been consistently translated through the ages?

WHY was Matthew 28:1-4 changed (again) only recently?

HOW did Christ Resurrect?

WHAT does Christ’s Resurrection Mean for “The Lord’s Day”?

These are some question that might be asked to answer before one even touched on the TEXTUAL and CONTEXTUAL, Grammatical and Syntactical, and Etymological and Critical factors and aspect in, of, and about the passage.

Please add questions you might think ought to be asked about the historical events mentioned in Matthew 28:2-4, in order to decide if those events had to do with Christ’s Resurrection?

Notice that I said, ‘historical events’. If you do not believe Matthew 28:28:1-4 and context are about real events and things but about for example myth and figurative metaphor merely, I politely request that you refrain from tabling such issues here because this study is undertaken from a believers’ stance.

 

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Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day of the week

13 May

Jesus arose from the tomb … on the First Day of the week?

Re: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day of the week, while it was yet dark…….not during the fullness of the Sabbath day.>>>
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day of the week>>>
yet
“gave Jesus them Rest, a Sabbath Day’s Rest for keeping remains valid for the People of God”???
…..

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Bone-day in Noah’s life

11 Nov

Amazing discovery by Gerhard Ebersohn – Bone-day in Noah’s life.

Bone-day,  the Seventh Day, and the Sabbath in Noah’s life.

Click here to view table showing the timeline and read more on BibleStudents.co.za