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John 20v1 “early darkness”

26 Jun

John 20v1 “early darkness” – Read the full article on BibleStudents.co.za

GE:

God willing I want to reproduce here the discussion between John317 and myself on the translation and interpretation of John 20:1, extracted from another page and here presented, ordered to incidental sequence for the purpose of giving an uninterrupted overview so that EACH MAN can make his own and decisive conclusion about the matter from a complete impression of the discourse.

Of grave and immediate consequences is the translation of John 20:1 with very, very far reaching implications and consequences.

God be with you as you may read.

Krause:

Most people walk in and out of your life,
but FRIENDS leave footprints in your heart.

Moderator:

The subject is toxic.

GE:

I am God’s dog; I live on the crumbs that fall off his table loaded with the Bread of Life!

Man, and am I having a feast! The guests at table wipe so much Bread off the table they scarcely taste a crumb themselves!

It’s fine with me to go sniff for God’s Word on the forum’s trash heap … just fine, thanks!

Ja, I must scavenge among a lot of real toxic stuff from the regulars’ smartly decorated tables; and sometimes even dig the Word out from under their vomit over me.

The Word’s crumbs though have marvellous healing properties and never get bad or taste bad.

I’m a dog in my seventh heaven … won’t swop for any other

place on earth!

You are all cordially invited to come over for the Feast on the threads’ trash heap, fellas! Discovered nice bones there buried deep or lying scattered all over! Just the stuff for a Bull Terrier!

… and of course, it’s JUST THE PLACE FOR THOSE WHO LIKE A DOGS’ BRAWL!

Gail:

???

GE:

???

GE:

A Bull Terrier is the best and dearest thing the English ever made!

Moderator has proved,

One,

That ‘toxic’ is more ‘Christian’ than to “welcome” a person with “open arms” with “access denied”;

Two,

That point has been made; that point has been taken;

Three,

That it has become time to thank the Lord and sing praises to his Name, for his Word is alive and well and makes itself heard where it matters most;

Four,

That the same awareness is becoming more widespread by the day.

Therefore, thank you, clubadventist for the improvements you have achieved and your preparedness to accommodate persuasion contrary your own. It shows the real, Christian spirit of discourse!

“There is no fear in love.”

Only one thing disturbing about the present ‘categorization’ –

beggars can’t be choosers I suppose – Truth will have to tolerate his next door neighbour, Heresy. I assume the age of ‘theological discrimination’ too, has seen its end among its offspring of ‘integrated theology’ —while I have always been staunch conservative.

Yes; disappointing; if I don’t admit I must lie.

Mark in 16:9 derives from John 20:11-17. And there, it says “Mary HAD HAD STOOD AFTER at the grave …”. So when Jesus appeared to Mary, it was not her first visit at the tomb; she had had before gone to the tomb —much earlier in the morning of the night. So in Luke 24:1,10 we read that Mary and other women had gone to the tomb “in the deepest morning of night carrying their spices prepared and ready … but they FOUND NOT the body”.

Therefore midnight, and Jesus “was risen”, already!

But John 20:1,2 tells, “Mary Magdalene on the First Day of the week BEING EARLY DARKNESS STILL, comes to the sepulchre, sees the stone is rolled away from the tomb; runs back …”

Therefore “EARLY DARKNESS STILL” – “being DUSK yet on the First Day”, that is, just “after the Sabbath” as it says in Mark 16:1 AFTER SUNSET —and Jesus “was risen”, already!

So WHEN did Jesus ‘arise’?

“… WHEN suddenly there was a great earthquake LATE ON THE SABBATH MID-AFTERNOON towards the First Day of the week.”

“… WHEN suddenly there was a great earthquake LATE ON THE SABBATH MID-AFTERNOON towards the First Day of the week … EXPLAINED THE ANGEL to the women …”

Matthew only, says, “Explained” / “Informed” / “Answered” / “Enlightened”, ‘apokritheis’.

Matthew only, tells the circumstances, accompanying events, day and time of day Jesus Christ must have arisen / must have been

raised from the dead.

“… and God the Seventh Day rested.”

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– Read the full article on BibleStudents.co.za

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All Sunday Resurrectionists

4 Jan

All Sunday-Resurrectionists Refuted – click here for the full discussion

Wednesday and Friday Crossites
Thrashed Shredded and Trashed
Part Eight
Simulacra
Reg, Alex, Rubies etc.

EXTRACT/INTRODUCTION TO THE DISCUSSION…

Source – http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TCMT0QQAME27RFJT4/p180

Reg:

The last supper was not a passover meal it was the night before passover Christ has to die before the passover the disciples won’t have the passover the next night on the 15th when Christ gave up his life after sunset He had to fulfil Ex 12 He would not give up His life until then He had that power
I have several times explained the last supper but never comment the old covenant was to pass away the next day when Christ died and at the last he introduced the new covenant it was not a passover supper the bread represented His broken body for us the wine that night would never be unfermented represented his sinlessness and the washing of the feet represented humility which SDA,s still keep that we are all equals an represented his sinlessness and the washing of the feet represented humility which SDA,s still keep that we are all equals and should treat each other the same Read John 13 and 1 Cor 11:23-34 Christ spent that supper telling them that he was not going to be with them and how to remember Him till He comes again

Alex:

Agreed but would be better said as “the Last Supper was not a Passover meal – it was the night before Feast of the Passover/ULB 24 hours before – Christ had to die in the afternoon on 14 Nisan before the Feast of Passover. The disciples, though disheartened with the death of their Messiah probably had the Passover the next night on the 15th – hours after Christ gave up his life before sunset – on the 14 Nisan.

GE:

Alright with a few questions for you, Alex,
Don’t you mean, <the Last Supper was… the night before Feast of the Passover/ULB 24 hours> later, instead of before? Naturally the disciples were <disheartened with the death of their Messiah>.

One must take into account the disciples’ utter confusion and the chaos caused by the natural disasters of the “darkness”[1], “earthquake”[2], “rent veil”[2], “opened graves”[3],  and fallen-in door-lintel of the portal into the sanctuary[4]. So the disciples could impossible have had their <passover meal> <the first night”[5] “on the fifteenth”[6], after “when it had become evening already”[7] three to four hours after Jesus had given his life “the ninth hour”[8] before sunset[9] : <on the 14 Nisan> the day before.

So the disciples rather even before Jesus had died, would have gone into hiding in the very room where two days after “when being evening regarding the First Day of the week, thronged-in-together-still behind closed doors for fear of the Jews”[10], Jesus found his disciples confused and in consternation, <disheartened with the death of their Messiah>.

Therefore instead of Jesus’ disciples should have buried Him, God designed Joseph and Nicodemus would come forward and without the help of his disciples and in their absence, would bury Him in faith and obedience to God’s Laws of the Passover of Yahweh.[11]

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All Sunday-Resurrectionists Refuted – click here for the full discussion

Passover Calendar – Month’s Feast of Sabbaths

1 Dec

A new illustration by Gerhard Ebersöhn – The Passover Calendar and a Month’s Feast of Sabbaths

Month’s Feast of Sabbaths – View on Bible Students

Discovery of New Lies and the Shame of Seventh-day Adventism

1 Jun

Discovery of New Lies and the Shame of Seventh-day Adventism
– Read the full discussion on BibleStudents.co.za

or see the original here – http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/698630.html#Post698630

Gerhard:

What about Mark 15:42?
Compare the KJV with the NIV
and see if you can SEE the ‘New Lie’?

Gregory:

A statement may be false. It may be false due to ignorance. But. a false statement is never a lie unless there is an intention to deceive.
It appears to me that you are attempting to charge a translation of the Bible with an intention to deceive. This is inappropriate in this forum.

… OR WAS IT? (Gerhard)

Click here to read the full discussion on BibleStudents.co.za

Book 6, 3. Save the Sabbath

4 Dec

Book 6, 3 Save the Sabbath – Download

Part 6/3
Seventh Day Adventism Refuted
E.G. White
Save your life to save the Sabbath, and you shall lose both; lose
your life to save the Sabbath, and you if God will, might save the
Sabbath.
The Seventh Day Adventist Church in order to save the Sabbath,
should sever all ties with its past, and unconditionally and totally
reject and renounce not the person of Mrs E.G. White, but the
doctrine and dogma as well as attitude and approach it, has
adopted and based and erected on ‘Inspiration’ and
‘the Testimonies’.

-> Read More? Download Now – Book 6, 3 Save the Sabbath